yet...people are against the death penalty

[lipripper]

really....?????

New Mexico: Brutal killing of girl detailed by authorities - WTOC-TV: Savannah, Beaufort, SC, News, Weather & Sports



fry these mother fuckers slowly!!!!:agreed::agreed:

[MattG]

Oh, no no no Rip, people like this should be given the right to rehabilitate. I'm sure they would never posess the ability to ever do this again if they were set free in the future. The death penalty wouldn't solve anything...let's just give them a chance to change brother.

For around $1, 3 rounds from my AR would take care of these sick fucks.

[Bouncer]

its about getting what you've given. it's about fairness. the victims were not treated fairly yet the perpetrator deserves a warm bed and 3 warm meals?

no way. not when you've committed a crime like this. you deserve nothing less than extinction.

[Scrumhalf]

You do realize that studies have shown that prejudicial error in capital cases is almost 70%? In other words, more than 2/3rds of capital cases have retrospectively shown to be flawed to a degree where the eventual outcome was severely compromised.

That is the reason why capital punishment is losing favor in this country and has already been eliminated in many countries across the globe. It costs a huge amount of time, effort and money to reduce error. At the end of the day, the only justification for capital punishment is revenge and retribution, pure and simple.

This is a good study. Read it.

http://www2.law.columbia.edu/instruc...bman_final.pdf

[lipripper]

You do realize that studies have shown that prejudicial error in capital cases is almost 70%? In other words, more than 2/3rds of capital cases have retrospectively shown to be flawed to a degree where the eventual outcome was severely compromised.

That is the reason why capital punishment is losing favor in this country and has already been eliminated in many countries across the globe. It costs a huge amount of time, effort and money to reduce error. At the end of the day, the only justification for capital punishment is revenge and retribution, pure and simple.

This is a good study. Read it.

http://www2.law.columbia.edu/instruc...bman_final.pdf

Honestly scrum,,, with people doing crimes like this to children..they can stick that study up there ass...:thumb:

[Bouncer]

You do realize that studies have shown that prejudicial error in capital cases is almost 70%? In other words, more than 2/3rds of capital cases have retrospectively shown to be flawed to a degree where the eventual outcome was severely compromised.

That is the reason why capital punishment is losing favor in this country and has already been eliminated in many countries across the globe. It costs a huge amount of time, effort and money to reduce error. At the end of the day, the only justification for capital punishment is revenge and retribution, pure and simple.

This is a good study. Read it.

http://www2.law.columbia.edu/instruc...bman_final.pdf

I don't deny that there is a huge element of revenge involved.

But what do you personally think people like this deserve? Do you feel they deserve a warm bed and 3 warm meals per day? What about the empty bed where that little girl once slept that will never again be filled? Is revenge a bad thing in every case scrum? Think about the parents pain, think about the little girl that will never get to grow up.

An "advanced" society doesn't mean a society that is so tolerant that the absolute worst thing that could possibly happen to a criminal no matter how horrible the crime is a warm bed and 3 warm meals per day..

[Scrumhalf]

Honestly scrum,,, with people doing crimes like this to children..they can stick that study up there ass...:thumb:

I am debating the title of your thread "yet.. people are against the death penalty."

I'm not denying that these people in the news report seem to have committed a horrendous crime, but you are proposing a form of punishment that has been shown to be highly error prone. Are you willing to use a method of punishment that has shown to be wrong 2/3 of the time?

The state has been shown to be incapable of delivering justice using capital punishment. It doesn't make any sense to keep around as an effective form of punishment when you are far more likely to be wrong than right. That's the reason why people are against the death penalty, not because any individual person is deserving of it or not.

[lipripper]

I am debating the title of your thread "yet.. people are against the death penalty."

I'm not denying that these people in the news report seem to have committed a horrendous crime, but you are proposing a form of punishment that has been shown to be highly error prone. Are you willing to use a method of punishment that has shown to be wrong 2/3 of the time?

The state has been shown to be incapable of delivering justice using capital punishment. It doesn't make any sense to keep around as an effective form of punishment when you are far more likely to be wrong than right. That's the reason why people are against the death penalty, not because any individual person is deserving of it or not.

Scrum..your entitled to your opinion/ beliefs ...many men have fought for your right to do that....but I am entitled to mine as well. and Scum of the earth like that DESERVE a slow painful death.

[Scrumhalf]

Again, I am not debating whether person X or Y is deserving of capital punishment. The problem is that we have no effective means to guaranteeing that innocent people aren't wrongfully sentenced. In fact, we are twice as likely to be wrong as to be right. Those are not odds that the state, who wields absolute power in rendering justice and punishment, should be allowed to get away with. That's the reason why people are against the death penalty. Because we get it wrong far more times than we get it right.

[Bouncer]

Ok I hear what your saying. But how about in cases that are 100% clear cut. Let's take this case in particular. Let's just pretend that there is 100% certainty. Do you believe these people deserve a warm bed and 3 warm meals for the rest of their days?

[redback]

While I can understand both arguments, there should be no place for capital punishment in civilized society. The eye for an eye mentality is wrong. It does nothing for the victim aside from the satisfaction of vengeance. Vengeance/revenge is not civilized. It just continues the cycle of violence.

There are so many other issues around this topic. Another is the use of medical professionals in executions which totally goes against the code of the medical community.

Scrum is right on about getting it wrong. There was a stat that said every 1 in 7 executed were innocent. There is no excuse for getting that wrong IMO.

[Bouncer]

While I can understand both arguments, there should be no place for capital punishment in civilized society. The eye for an eye mentality is wrong. It does nothing for the victim aside from the satisfaction of vengeance. Vengeance/revenge is not civilized. It just continues the cycle of violence.

There are so many other issues around this topic. Another is the use of medical professionals in executions which totally goes against the code of the medical community.

Scrum is right on about getting it wrong. There was a stat that said every 1 in 7 executed were innocent. There is no excuse for getting that wrong IMO.

A hypothetical that I'd like you to be honest and answer.

You see with your own eyes a a child raped and murdered. You are given a gun and 2 options.

1. Shoot and kill the criminal.

2. Allow him to walk away because it's only about revenge and you're from a civilized society.

You are in the middle of nowhere and you have no phone so you cannot call the police. You must pick 1 of the 2 options.

Please answer straight without dancing around the subject.

[redback]

A hypothetical that I'd like you to be honest and answer.

You see with your own eyes a a child raped and murdered. You are given a gun and 2 options.

1. Shoot and kill the criminal.

2. Allow him to walk away because it's only about revenge and you're from a civilized society.

You are in the middle of nowhere and you have no phone so you cannot call the police. You must pick 1 of the 2 options.

Please answer straight without dancing around the subject.

In reality I am not a murderer so no I would not kill him. That makes me no different to him. This is why the world is so fucked today. Everyone has this eye for an eye attitude. Its all about ego.

[Bouncer]

In reality I am not a murderer so no I would not kill him. That makes me no different to him. This is why the world is so fucked today. Everyone has this eye for an eye attitude. Its all about ego.

So you would chose the option to allow him to walk away and potentially do it again?

You could do that while you look at the murdered child's body right there in front of you?

You could deal with the fact that you watched it happened and allowed him to walk away simply because "your not a murderer"?

Fuck that bro. We are from different planets.

[redback]

So you would chose the option to allow him to walk away and potentially do it again?

You could do that while you look at the murdered child's body right there in front of you?

You could deal with the fact that you watched it happened and allowed him to walk away simply because "your not a murderer"?

Fuck that bro. We are from different planets.

Well for starters I don't think I would take either of your two options. I'm not sure it's really a great example. We have many choices as a society in regards to capital punishment.