UN votes that Israel should get out of ilegal occupied land in Palestine.

[Scrumhalf]

You and scrum shouldn't simply dismiss the Holocaust as an excuse. It's literally what that country was forged by.

Why do you keep bringing this up? Nobody is dismissing the Holocaust.

What needs to stop is the notion that legitimate criticism of ISRAELI POLICY is in itself anti-semitic.

We are criticizing the policies and actions of the Israeli government. And we are criticizing the knee-jerk response of the Israeli government to constantly conflate legitimate criticism of their illegal acts with anti-semitism. Nobody is making any statement about the Jewish people or their right to exist or how they should be treated or any of that stuff. Stop bringing anti-semitism into this argument.

[Bouncer]

Why do you keep bringing this up? Nobody is dismissing the Holocaust.

What needs to stop is the notion that legitimate criticism of ISRAELI POLICY is in itself anti-semitic.

We are criticizing the policies and actions of the Israeli government. And we are criticizing the knee-jerk response of the Israeli government to constantly conflate legitimate criticism of their illegal acts with anti-semitism. Nobody is making any statement about the Jewish people or their right to exist or how they should be treated or any of that stuff. Stop bringing anti-semitism into this argument.

I keep bringing it up because it's what makes Israel. I'm not saying you are denying it. I'm saying to understand their actions you have to look to the past.

If a man is in and out of jail their entire life it's not insane or an excuse to look to their childhood and what made them who they are.

Israel is all about retaliation.

[Mr I]

I keep bringing it up because it's what makes Israel. I'm not saying you are denying it. I'm saying to understand their actions you have to look to the past.

If a man is in and out of jail their entire life it's not insane or an excuse to look to their childhood and what made them who they are.

Israel is all about retaliation.

That is not acceptable, it is not a reason or justification for her actions.

[Bouncer]

That is not acceptable, it is not a reason or justification for her actions.

I agree. I'm just giving an explanation of why.

No culture has ever experienced the horror they experienced in the numbers they experienced.

It's no wonder they are aggressive and defensive given their past and the fact that they are surrounded by enemies.

[Scrumhalf]

That's a red herring. You don't increase your security by building settlements. The settlements are a land grab, pure and simple. And of all people, the Israelis should know better.

[Bouncer]

Wasn't it where missiles were being shot at them at some point?

[Mr I]

I agree. I'm just giving an explanation of why.

No culture has ever experienced the horror they experienced in the numbers they experienced.

It's no wonder they are aggressive and defensive given their past and the fact that they are surrounded by enemies.

They are downright oppressive and dictate to America who has provided them with everything and they appear to use that to inflict continued aggression on Palestine.

They don't appear to be cooperative and indeed have such a hold in Washington and the UK that laws are being perverted to associate criticism of Israel with antisemitism thus making it unlawful to criticise them.

This will breed hate which nobody wants

[Scrumhalf]

Wasn't it where missiles were being shot at them at some point?

If missles are being shot at you, then a military occupation may make sense. Not building settlements for civilians. Nobody can spin the settlements as anything other than a land grab.

Israel's master plan is that they can drag this thing on so long that eventually, so many settlements are made and so much land taken that it becomes simply impossible to uproot all of settlers and send them back to Israel proper. So, the Palestinians will have to concede the territory that the settlements have been built on.

[Bouncer]

If missles are being shot at you, then a military occupation may make sense. Not building settlements for civilians. Nobody can spin the settlements as anything other than a land grab.

Israel's master plan is that they can drag this thing on so long that eventually, so many settlements are made and so much land taken that it becomes simply impossible to uproot all of settlers and send them back to Israel proper. So, the Palestinians will have to concede the territory that the settlements have been built on.

Be that as it may, one could make the argument that had the missiles never been shot at Israel they wouldn't have had an excuse for that land grab.

[Scrumhalf]

It's funny how you keep turning this thing around like Israel is the aggrieved party and therefore is at liberty to do whatever the hell it wants.

[Mr I]

I respect Obama for his stance. He stood up to be counted.

Everyone needs to recognise the State of Palestine which would give them a stringer position.

[Bouncer]

It's funny that you gloss over missile attacks as if they are nothing worth even mentioning..

[Scrumhalf]

I respect Obama for his stance. He stood up to be counted.

Everyone needs to recognise the State of Palestine which would give them a stringer position.

Agreed, although he should have done it years ago. 8 years wasted. By holding Israel's feet to the fire (it receives $38B from the US every year), Obama could have achieved so much more.

And let's not fall for this "Israel is our only friend in the middle east" nonsense. If the US was TRULY seen as an honest broker in the middle east, it would go so far in REDUCING terrorism, not increasing it.

[Mr I]

It's funny that you gloss over missile attacks as if they are nothing worth even mentioning..

In context, have you looked at the amount of child deaths from the conflict in Palestine compared to Israel?

And before you say "so are you saying that just because Palestine attacks are relatively ineffective compared to isreals military might and defense systems, they are irrelevant? "

Relatively speaking, yes, they pale.

Is real has overwhelmingly more military capability afforded by other countries and with it comes responsibility.

They have been bullying militarily and intellectually for far too long and it's high time they were brought to book.

And there is no excuse for strategic land grab from this already imprisoned nation that is being squeezed to extinction

[Bouncer]

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