Trump Is President

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You can't do that kind of stuff any more bro. The days of total war are long gone.

Dropping a bunch of bombs to get one ISIS guy and kill 20 civilians because you flattened the house they were all in simply won't cut it any more.

It's war bro. It's not a pretty situation. People die, mistakes get made. It's sad and I wish there was no such thing but war is ugly business. We are not going to beat ISIS without civilian casualties especially considering ISIS has weaved themselves throughout civilian populations.

The axis powers would be running the show right now if you had been in charge of the allies in the first half of the 1940's. ;)

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You can't do that kind of stuff any more bro. The days of total war are long gone.

Dropping a bunch of bombs to get one ISIS guy and kill 20 civilians because you flattened the house they were all in simply won't cut it any more.

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Yes, but not if it involves indiscriminate bombing.

Read this... how much damage we are doing, both to the people there and to your reputation in the area.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/22/...ria-and-yemen/

I understand. Let me ask you this though. Would we have won WW2 without indiscriminate attacks? Would we have won without leveling German cities? Would we have won without bringing Japan to it's knees with nuclear weapons?

In war innocent people die. It's not desirable but unfortunately sometimes it has to happen for the greater good. That greater good being the total destruction of isis.

That's easy to say because its not my friends and family dieing. I understand that, but it is a reality nonetheless.

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Isn't working with the Russians a good thing ultimately though in terms of wiping Isis out?

Yes, but not if it involves indiscriminate bombing.

Read this... how much damage we are doing, both to the people there and to your reputation in the area.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/22/...ria-and-yemen/

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It seems like an escalation, because now we have decided to work with the Russians.

Isn't working with the Russians a good thing ultimately though in terms of wiping Isis out?

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sad shit. question. did trump policy cause this in terms of military needing the go ahead? or was this purely military fuck up that would have happened just the same under obama?

It seems like an escalation, because now we have decided to work with the Russians.

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sad shit. question. did trump policy cause this in terms of military needing the go ahead? or was this purely military fuck up that would have happened just the same under obama?

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We've got a major tragedy brewing in Syria right now..

Looks like we bombed a bunch of houses in Mosul and buried 130 people under the rubble.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_tw


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.109fcaa68732

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Well, they can always start again. But I don't think they will until after the midterm elections.

The GOP has a problem. The tea party guys want to cut everything. No maternity care, no drug addition recovery benefits, etc. etc. They want everything to be a choice because ideologically, they don't want the government telling people to have any kind of mandatory coverage. The problem with that approach, leaving aside the sheer inhumanity of it, is that it stops being insurance any more. The whole point of insurance is that we share risk. I may pay for prenatal care coverage evan though I am not a woman, and she pays for prostate cancer coverage even though she'll never get it. That way, you spread the risk with numbers and the actuarial tables make it work. That's what insurance is all about.

On the other side, the moderate Republicans are getting an earful from their constituents that they don't want to see coverage cut. The approval rating for Trumpcare is 17% with 56^% against. The moderate Republicans know that they'll get slaughtered in the midterm elections if they let the bill go through. That's why they objected.

So, the GOP had nowhere to go with these two factions pulling in opposite directions. So, Obamacare is good for the time being.

Again, I am not saying Obamacare is perfect. But it did reduce uninsured Americans to historically low levels, below 9% if I remember. Does it have issues? Sure, and we should go figure out how to fix them without destroying what works. That's what Congress seems to be unable to do.

And you know why? Because it costs money. It is going to cost money to raise the individual mandate subsidy threshold level so that more middle income families can afford to get insurance. That's the part that's broken, but that's going to need us to spend more money. And there are ideologues that will NOT spend money unless it is for things like defense and cuttinng taxes for the rich and things like that.

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Polls showed that only 17% of the populations supported it. No drug addiction services coverage, no maternity coverage, etc. etc. This was historically unpopular and the moderates in the GOP realized they'll get their clocked cleaned in the midterm elections if they went ahead and people realized what was really in the bill.

does this mean that the whole thing has failed and obamacare will live on? or can trump keep trying different shit until something sticks?

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Polls showed that only 17% of the populations supported it. No drug addiction services coverage, no maternity coverage, etc. etc. This was historically unpopular and the moderates in the GOP realized they'll get their clocked cleaned in the midterm elections if they went ahead and people realized what was really in the bill.

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another fail. good to see some republicans act like they have a pair..



Republicans pull healthcare legislation plan in blow to Trump | Reuters

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The trumpster might be in trouble now.

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President Trump signs NASA advisory bill, says it’s “about jobs”

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017...ts-about-jobs/