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[chuckz28]

Sexual identity is DNA not mental state. X and Y chromosomes do not care what you think you are.

[Scrumhalf]

The scientific consensus was that the earth is the center of the universe at one point. Science is often wrong and corrected.

I am also positive that not every scientist agrees with you on the transgender issue. In fact I'd bet there are many who'd disagree with you.

Let's come back to this thread in 5 years and see who's right and who's wrong.

[Bouncer]

Believe what you must, but as always I go with the scientific consensus.

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The scientific consensus was that the earth is the center of the universe at one point. Science is often wrong and corrected.

I am also positive that not every scientist agrees with you on the transgender issue. In fact I'd bet there are many who'd disagree with you.

[Scrumhalf]

But once kangaroo identity is studied and more understood it's possible that it may be considered perfectly normal in the future...

Fuck sake scrum.

Believe what you must, but as always I go with the scientific consensus.

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[Bouncer]

I believe most brain scientists agree that sexual identity is a powerful and natural mental state. It absolutely isn't a psychological disorder of any kind.

Kangaroo identity on the other hand has not been identified to date by the medical community as anything but a mental disorder.

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But once kangaroo identity is studied and more understood it's possible that it may be considered perfectly normal in the future...

Fuck sake scrum.

[Scrumhalf]

not the same at all. one is about attraction the other is about viewing yourself outside of reality. see my kangaroo point above..

I believe most brain scientists agree that sexual identity is a powerful and natural mental state. It absolutely isn't a psychological disorder of any kind.

Kangaroo identity on the other hand has not been identified to date by the medical community as anything but a mental disorder.

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[Bouncer]

Not any more than being gay is. The brain is a poorly understood thing. One may have been born male but strongly identifies as a woman. To force her to confirm to a male existence is cruel IMO, no different from forcing a gay person to have a straight relationship. Scientists are just beginning to research sexual identity.

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not the same at all. one is about attraction the other is about viewing yourself outside of reality. see my kangaroo point above..

[Scrumhalf]

you don't think a disconnect between what you are physically and what your brain thinks you are is a mental condition?

Not any more than being gay is. The brain is a poorly understood thing. One may have been born male but strongly identifies as a woman. To force her to confirm to a male existence is cruel IMO, no different from forcing a gay person to have a straight relationship. Scientists are just beginning to research sexual identity.

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[Bouncer]

Needless to say, the medical community disagrees vehemently with your assessment.

you don't think a disconnect between what you are physically and what your brain "thinks" you are is a mental condition?

if my brain told me i was a kangaroo despite the obvious physical proof that i'm not would that also be considered perfectly normal by the medical community?

[Scrumhalf]

Needless to say, the medical community disagrees vehemently with your assessment.

[chuckz28]

Next thing we will be hearing is how we should tolerate and accept pedophioles "because they are born that way it's not their fault they are sexually attracted to children".

FUCK THAT! it is a mental illness and to think you are the opposite of your birth sex is such a horrible body dismorphia that it is also a mental illness, which is backed up by the 41% suicide attempt rate of transgenders regardless of pre or post op. Being homosexual is acceptable in my book but thinking you are something you're not is a problem with reality.

[Scrumhalf]

You'll see that in 5 years, pretty much all the developed world will be there is they are not mostly there already. I'm not the extremist, I'm the humanist that is ahead of his time. :)

I'm well left of center, no question. I consider that a badge of honor. :)

[Bouncer]

The world?? lol You mean the extreme liberals! Even most Liberals I know are against this. lol

His world. The extreme left. Just like ripper is extreme right. This is why I am the person to listen to on these matters because I'm right in the middle. No bias like scrum the extremist. :D

[Chadd77]

The world is leaving you behind on this one.

The world?? lol You mean the extreme liberals! Even most Liberals I know are against this. lol

[Bouncer]

The world is leaving you behind on this one.

i think school should be a place of learning, interacting with peers, and growing up. i don't see the importance or need for this. where does it stop? is an adult male teacher who identifies as a woman allowed to go into the bathroom with a little 10 year old girl? you dismiss the safety issue but I think that's a bit ignorant of you to be honest. do you completely deny that someone could take advantage of a situation like that? What are the rules? Does the man have to dress like a woman and wear makeup or can he wear work boots and jeans with a flannel shirt and say "yea I identify as a woman". What's the guidelines here?

i think kids should be allowed to be kids. i'm mixed on the adult issue but i'm firm with my belief it has no place in schools.