Trump Is President

[Scrumhalf]

The guy in the White House is different. Different temperament. I'm surprised you don't see that this guy is way nuttier than any President in recent memory. Nothing to do with GOP vs Dem.

[Bouncer]

The guy in the White House is different. Different temperament. I'm surprised you don't see that this guy is way nuttier than any President in recent memory. Nothing to do with GOP vs Dem.

I never said I can't see a difference in temperament. I never said anything about GOP vs Dem.

I said the anti Russian retoric from Hilary and Obama on top of the Syrian conflict on top of the Ukrainian issue in years past was reason enough to change the atomic clock. But they didn't.

You are so anti Trump you can't see past it.

I'm neither. If he does something I agree with I say it, if he acts like a dildo I say it. I'm not a Republican, Democrat, or anything in between. I simply see what I see without picking a side.

[Scrumhalf]

I never said I can't see a difference in temperament. I never said anything about GOP vs Dem.

I said the anti Russian retoric from Hilary and Obama on top of the Syrian conflict on top of the Ukrainian issue in years past was reason enough to change the atomic clock. But they didn't.

You are so anti Trump you can't see past it.

I'm neither. If he does something I agree with I say it, if he acts like a dildo I say it. I'm not a Republican, Democrat, or anything in between. I simply see what I see without picking a side.

Don't be silly. It is nothing to do with me. Hillary, Obama may not have seen eye to eye with Putin but none of them were unstable enough to seriously think about nuclear weapons. There's only one guy in the discussion who is even crazy enough to mention nukes as a tactical option.

Don't try to pin this on me. I'm nust explaining why the scientists are concluding what they did. Unless you are in the Alex Jones camp and think there is an insidious scientist conspiracy. You do realize the doomsday clock is something that is managed by a group of scientists, right? It's not something made up by a political organization or by journalists.

[Bouncer]

Disagree. I'd say we were more at risk of nuclear war the last few years simply because Putin is very much like Trump. Obama may not have wanted war but Putin was clearly getting more agressive. That is now over. China is more sensible.

So once again, it's BS. If they were going to change the clock they should have done so during the escalating tensions with Russia.

Scientists yes, they control the clock. How much you wanna bet they are anti trump? Even scientists can be biased when it comes to politics scrum. Especially when science organizations are actually under attack by Trump.

I'm not saying they aren't right in being anti trump. I'm just saying it influenced this decision.

[Scrumhalf]

Read Lawrence Krauss' opinion piece in the NYT. Krauss is a theoretical physicist, cosmologist and one of the pre-eminent scientists working in the field today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/o...-midnight.html

[Bouncer]

Doesn't change what I see. There was a very real threat of dangerous escalation with a Putin led Russia the past few years. The clock did not change. Scientists can absolutely be influenced by politics. Especially when the current President is anti science in many ways.

Blows me away that you can't see this or simply refuse to see it.

[Scrumhalf]

Again, neither Obama nor Putin was a loose cannon, crazy enough to talk about actually using tactical nukes.

The doomsday clock is not just about nuclear war, but about the environment and other things as well.

When Trump came in the scene, not only did he exhibit a frighteningly cavalier attitude about the use of nuclear weapons, something that has never been uttered by the leader of any major nation in recent memory, but he is also totally anti environment, including believing that climate change is a Chinese conspiracy.

So, the difference is this dangerously unstable guy that came on the scene that has zero scientific knowledge or knowledge on nuclear policy, consistently surrounds himself with ideologues with equally dangerous views and absolutely refuses to listen to others. This is what prompted the scientists to act.

[Bouncer]

The danger of Trump is no greater than Putin. Come on scrum..

[Scrumhalf]

The danger of Trump is no greater than Putin. Come on scrum..

To the US it is. Without any doubt. Are you freaking serious? Have you looked at everything the administration has proposed?

And Trump is way more unstable and stupid than Putin. This guy's seriously thinks he can use tactical nukes in the Middle East. Batshit crazy.

[Bouncer]

To the US it is. Without any doubt. Are you freaking serious? Have you looked at everything the administration has proposed?

I'm talking about in context of Nuclear danger as in our argument today.

I would say there was a greater nuclear danger BEFORE Trump and Putin were in bed together.

[Scrumhalf]

Our discussion is about the doomsday clock, not just nuclear weapons. The doomsday clock covers a bunch of things - nuclear war, global warming, etc.

I completely disagree that we had a greater chance of nuclear war before Trump. Neither Obama nor Putin (or Bush before Obama) was stupid enough to actually think that a tactical use of nuclear weapons can even be a topic of hypothetical discussion. And here comes Trump actually wondering why can't GIVE nukes to the Saudis! You don't think this guy is insane?

Really, this is beyond a Dem vs. GOP issue guys. This is a question of rational ppl who may have political differences versus a completely off the rails White House.

[Bouncer]

I think we were very close to a "doomsday" scenario during the Syria conflict when Russian jets were flying super fucken close to our ships and plains etc.. Hilary would have continued that with Russia.

[Mr I]

It's OK great Britain will calm everything we have spotted the risks with Donald and will control him

[Scrumhalf]

I think we were very close to a "doomsday" scenario during the Syria conflict when Russian jets were flying super fucken close to our ships and plains etc.. Hilary would have continued that with Russia.

What does Hillary have to do with anything? We are talking about Pre-Trump and Trump. Hillary never entered the picture.

[Mr I]

Can someone please explain, the whole woman's March thing in respect of abortion.

What is it they want changed exactly? I mean as far as I know trump has not outlawed abortion or did I miss something?