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  • The saying is - If you build a 50 foot wall, somebody out there has got a 51 foot ladder.

    The whole wall thing is stupid. Politicians need to accept the fact that we NEED these people here to do the jobs no American wants to do. Picking lettuce and strawberries is backbreaking work. What needs to happen is to create a visa system that allows them to come here legally. It is not that hard to do. Outlawing something that is in high demand (remember that thing called prohibition) only creates a black market. Set up a visa system and you'll solve the illegal immigration and earn a fair bit of money for the federal coffers while you are at it.

    The only thing preventing it is political will.

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    • yes, and in the mean time i feel like it would be far more cost effective to hire more officials to go to farms, building projects, and businesses and fine those Americans who are hiring illegals. i mean the kind of fine that will hit hard. those hiring legal immigrants will get tax breaks etc..

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      • Scrum, it's time you gave praise where it's due. Let's hear it! I want to see if you're capable. :D

        https://gma.yahoo.com/trump-keep-int...opstories.html

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        • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
          yes, and in the mean time i feel like it would be far more cost effective to hire more officials to go to farms, building projects, and businesses and fine those Americans who are hiring illegals. i mean the kind of fine that will hit hard. those hiring legal immigrants will get tax breaks etc..
          No, no, no. That's putting the cart before the horse. If you somehow magically had a way tomorrow to ensure 100% enforcement, the fruits and vegetables will rot in the fields. You see, we NEED the workers. Punishing the people who hire the illegals is fine in theory but the farms and a lot of construction will shut down if you did that. What you need is to come up with a LEGAL mechanism to get demand and supply, in this case, the farmer and the farm hand, to meet.

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          • I get ya. I was just talking about in comparison to building a stupid wall. It would be more effective with less cost.

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            • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
              Scrum, it's time you gave praise where it's due. Let's hear it! I want to see if you're capable. :D

              https://gma.yahoo.com/trump-keep-int...opstories.html
              I want to get more details. I have heard mention of this but I haven't seen details. Good if that's the case - I'll give credit if there are no gotchas.

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              • Originally posted by Scrumhalf View Post
                I want to get more details. I have heard mention of this but I haven't seen details. Good if that's the case - I'll give credit if there are no gotchas.
                Trump is friends with Katelyn Jenner. He doesn't have a problem with fruits. His vice president on the other hand...

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                • The problem isn't necessarily Trump. He's surrounded by religious nuts and neo Nazis. That's a big part of the problem.

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                  • Originally posted by Scrumhalf View Post
                    The problem isn't necessarily Trump. He's surrounded by religious nuts and neo Nazis. That's a big part of the problem.
                    Yea but I get the feeling that Trump won't be told to do anything he doesn't want to do.

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                    • UAE says Trump travel ban an internal affair, most Muslims unaffected | Reuters

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                      • Maybe they should tell that to the Iraqi interpreter that was sent back, or the Syrian refugees that were not allowed in after waiting for years in camps.

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                        • For hardline West Bank settlers, Jared Kushner's their man | Reuters

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                          • British Prime Minister here to kiss ass and bow before Trump. :D

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                            • No she didn't she called out the UN and NATO as vital and she warned about putin

                              All of these oppose what trump has said.

                              That aside she still invites him to the UK despite the public uproar

                              She did well and continues to support murica

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                              • She knows that brexit means the EU isn't helping your little island anymore so you need big brother more then ever.

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