Texas Church Shooting

[Bouncer]

Certain specific kinds of warning signs may require an additional kind of cooling off period, since suicide impulses tend to have a short half life. If we knew precisely what they are, then there can be something targeted without inconveniencing everyone.

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Which is why I don't really have an issue with the California 10 day cooling off period.

[Scrumhalf]

We have laws in place for guns as well scrum. If the law had worked in this Texas case he would not have been able to purchase those guns.

Again, I am not talking specifically about this case. This is the what gun related deaths look like the US vs. other developed countries. Shouldn't we be be researching how to close this gap? Are there scientific data driven things we can do?



Frankly, the response of gun owners to this is the mystifying thing.
There's probably material for a psychology PhD or two right there, but I digress.

[lipripper]

Your also implying that we don't want a study done..has anyone said that? NO..yet you imply that we have?

[Scrumhalf]

Your also implying that we don't want a study done..has anyone said that? NO..yet you imply that we have?

Well, you said it, not me. I tried to draw a distinction between the lobbying of the NRA and gun owners but you and Bouncer kept insisting that the NRA is not an faceless entity but represents the will of the people, at least the gun owners. Well, maybe you guys should tell Congress to remove the law prohibiting federal research on gun related deaths and injuries.

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[Bouncer]

i said I am all for studies as long as they are done with out bias or swayed in any way by politics and big money.

i also said that regardless of the outcome of the study, much like climate change studies, you will still have this divisive republican vs democrat issue. it will absolutely be politicized.

[lipripper]

Show me where I said no studies..... show me...

[Bouncer]

regarding that chart you posted scrum.

we are a nation founded with guns. we would still be flying the British flag if we had your attitude about guns. a nation where civilians have no weapons is a nation at the mercy of their government. there is a reason dictator regimes do not allow any sort of weapon ownership by their people.

imagine if the jews had the gun culture we had when they were being rounded up by the nazis. Things might have turned out a little different. They certainly would have made the nazis job much harder. they were completely defenseless.

Scrum, the day you are sitting in your living room and a guy smashes through your window with a gun aimed at your family you would finally understand. In that brief moment, you would wish you had a gun, you would be pro gun. Instead, you just hope nothing like that ever happens. The world is full of fucking nuts bro, it's not crazy to assume something like that could happen to you. People always seem to think things like that "happen to someone else"..

[Scrumhalf]

Show me where I said no studies..... show me...

You said the NRA is not an entity but merely the people of the country. Well, people of the country, there are folks in Congress acting in your name, with other folks that call themselves the NRA acting on your behalf whispering in their ear, who have enacted laws to that effect. So, tell your congressperson to repeal that law.

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[lipripper]

Again show me where I said no studies..you cant..because I didn't.. Your taking the NRAs stance and making their words mine.. Like bouncer said..the NRA is the best defense we have against the anti gun agenda in this country. That don't mean I am in lock step with every thing they say or do..to imply that is your choice..but not my words..

[Scrumhalf]

Again show me where I said no studies..you cant..because I didn't.. Your taking the NRAs stance and making their words mine.. Like bouncer said..the NRA is the best defense we have against the anti gun agenda in this country. That don't mean I am in lock step with every thing they say or do..to imply that is your choice..but not my words..

Wait, wait, wait.... You can't have it both ways.

Yesterday, I gave you an out by saying that the NRA lobbying is perhaps not in the best interest of it's members, at least those who are interested in understanding how to reduce gun related deaths. YOU were the one who said that there is no "NRA" as some independent thing or person, but it merely represents the wishes of the people.

You can't have it both ways, on the one hand insisting that the NRA is the people, and then turning around and saying that you are not responsible for what it does.

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[Bouncer]

Wait, wait, wait.... You can't have it both ways.

Yesterday, I gave you an out by saying that the NRA lobbying is perhaps not in the best interest of it's members, at least those who are interested in understanding how to reduce gun related deaths. YOU were the one who said that there is no "NRA" as some independent thing or person, but it merely represents the wishes of the people.

You can't have it both ways, on the one hand insisting that the NRA is the people, and then turning around and saying that you are not responsible for what it does.

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lol.

without the people the NRA would not exist.

BUT. it has leaders just like any organization. just because we don't always agree with those leaders doesn't mean we don't support the bigger picture for why they exist in the first place.

[Scrumhalf]

regarding that chart you posted scrum.

we are a nation founded with guns. we would still be flying the British flag if we had your attitude about guns. a nation where civilians have no weapons is a nation at the mercy of their government. there is a reason dictator regimes do not allow any sort of weapon ownership by their people.

imagine if the jews had the gun culture we had when they were being rounded up by the nazis. Things might have turned out a little different. They certainly would have made the nazis job much harder. they were completely defenseless.

Scrum, the day you are sitting in your living room and a guy smashes through your window with a gun aimed at your family you would finally understand. In that brief moment, you would wish you had a gun, you would be pro gun. Instead, you just hope nothing like that ever happens. The world is full of fucking nuts bro, it's not crazy to assume something like that could happen to you. People always seem to think things like that "happen to someone else"..

So what you are saying is that the reason we have more than 5X greater gun related homicides than any other country is that it's in our blood and there's nothing we can do about it. Even if say 25% or 50% is avoidable and not just Americans being Americans, we don't need to worry about it.
Well, if that's the case, we should quit worrying about gun violence then. It's just who we are, just how we roll.

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[Scrumhalf]

lol.

without the people the people the NRA would not exist.

BUT. it has leaders just like any organization. just because we don't always agree with those leaders doesn't mean we don't support the bigger picture for why they exist in the first place.

I'm pointing out that your leaders are doing the wrong thing in your name. Tell them to not block CDC research into what's unquestionably a serious public health crisis.

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[lipripper]

gave me an out...LMFAO your a trip dude...LOLOLOLO

So in your deeply educated mind you hold anyone who believes in any cause to be into the entire program 100% but cant have a slightly differing view? Or to not agree with some of the standards by knowing its for the greater good overall, support it because most of what they do is in that persons opnion right? this should be good..

[lipripper]

I'm pointing out that your leaders are doing the wrong thing in your name. Tell them to not block CDC research into what's unquestionably a serious public health crisis.

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So none of the people you call leaders of anything you believe in have ever done anything you didn't agree with...REALLY :rofl::rofl::rofl: