Texas Church Shooting

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gave me an out...LMFAO your a trip dude...LOLOLOLO

So in your deeply educated mind you hold anyone who believes in any cause to be into the entire program 100% but cant have a slightly differing view? Or to not agree with some of the standards by knowing its for the greater good overall, support it because most of what they do is in that persons opnion right? this should be good..

Ad hominem. My education or lack of it has nothing to do with this. If people who purport to represent my interests are doing the wrong thing, I'll be talking to them, whether it's the National Parks Federation or the Sierra Club or whoever. I'm not questioning the raison d'etre for the NRA. I'm merely asking that responsible gun owners should understand what the NRA leadership is doing on their behalf.

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So what you are saying is that the reason we have more than 5X greater gun related homicides than any other country is that it's in our blood and there's nothing we can do about it. Even if say 25% or 50% is avoidable and not just Americans being Americans, we don't need to worry about it.
Well, if that's the case, we should quit worrying about gun violence then. It's just who we are, just how we roll.

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most gun death is by suicide. its a tool they use to commit suicide. if guns were not available they could swallow a bottle of pills, they could slit their wrists, they could hang themselves etc..

we are a gun culture. the "wild west" mentality is still very much alive in america. So yes, in a way that is who we are.

with all that said, 99.9% of legal gun owners are good law abiding people.

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So none of the people you call leaders of anything you believe in have ever done anything you didn't agree with...REALLY :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Not sure why are are taking this personally. I'm not talking specifically to you although to borrow Rado's phrase, if the shoe fits....

So you agree that we should be funding the CDC then and you disagree with the head honchos in the NRA?

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[Scrumhalf]

lol.

without the people the NRA would not exist.

BUT. it has leaders just like any organization. just because we don't always agree with those leaders doesn't mean we don't support the bigger picture for why they exist in the first place.

So you are agreeing then that we should be funding CDC research. Good.

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[Bouncer]

So you are agreeing then that we should be funding CDC research. Good.

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would you be okay with the idea of the NRA funding that research? i mean scientists cannot be swayed according to you.. :hibb:

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Not sure why are are taking this personally. I'm not talking specifically to you although to borrow Rado's phrase, if the shoe fits....

So you agree that we should be funding the CDC then and you disagree with the head honchos in the NRA?

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Not taking anything personal at all. you tried to say they were MY words that were spoken..they weren't.. pretty simple really.

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Not sure why are are taking this personally. I'm not talking specifically to you although to borrow Rado's phrase, if the shoe fits....

So you agree that we should be funding the CDC then and you disagree with the head honchos in the NRA?

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Do you disagree with any of the ideas or opinions of those in charge of things you believe in?

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would you be okay with the idea of the NRA funding that research? i mean scientists cannot be swayed according to you.. :hibb:

Are you seriously suggesting that Congress funding research is equivalent to a private entity funding research?

But to answer the question, if don't at the CDC, yes. Because it is a federal organization, all the data is public and can be viewed by everyone, peer reviewed, etc. There's nothing to be afraid if the science is done openly.

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[Bouncer]

Are you seriously suggesting that Congress funding research is equivalent to a private entity funding research?

But to answer the question, if don't at the CDC, yes. Because it is a federal organization, all the data is public and can be viewed by everyone, peer reviewed, etc. There's nothing to be afraid if the science is done openly.

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i'm not sure something so divisive and political could ever be researched without any bias whatsoever. EVERYONE has a strong opinion on this issue and there is big money and politicians on both sides that have much to gain or lose.

again, i have no issue with research. lets do it. but i have my doubts about how it could be done with this particular hot button issue. if all the scientists are democrats it will be called into question. That's just a fact.

you have so much trust in "federal organizations" as if they can't be bought or swayed. You act like there has never been corruption on the federal level. lol

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Texas Rangers and FBI just said they cannot get into the guys phone due to it's security features. In these type of cases there needs to be a quick way that apple or google can send some sort of code to the authorities upon request that opens the phone.

But apple or google should never give the authorities a backdoor key that allows them to open any and all phones. It needs to be on a case by case bases. This would meet the criteria for a phone that needs to be opened asap.

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Hell yea, FBI just said people need to be more prepared for these types of events implying more people should be carrying. BOOM!

I guarantee if that shooter knew everyone in that church was locked and loaded he would have thought twice about walking in there. Instead he would have picked a place he thought he had the best chance of causing mass casualty like a "gun free zone". To a nut like this all a "gun free zone" looks like is the perfect target...

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Are you seriously suggesting that Congress funding research is equivalent to a private entity funding research?

But to answer the question, if don't at the CDC, yes. Because it is a federal organization, all the data is public and can be viewed by everyone, peer reviewed, etc. There's nothing to be afraid if the science is done openly.

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I would say that government funded research is full of bias. The war on Fat years ago was founded on bullshit data. Sugar data was bullshit. Government injecting African Americans with syphilis in the name of science.

I can keep going.

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The suspect escaped a mental institution in 2012. He was also caught trying to sneak firearms into a military base. This was a complete government failure to enforce the laws on the books that would have prevented this nut from getting a gun. Absolutely unforgivable government incompetence.

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This guy is also the subject of a 2013 rape investigation. What in the flying fuck. How did this guy not have about 50 red flags in the FBI list. Insane.

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This guy is also the subject of a 2013 rape investigation. What in the flying fuck. How did this guy not have about 50 red flags in the FBI list. Insane.

The big bad government / police would of been profiling then bro...common..get with the program....lmao

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