Trump Declares War On Palestine

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They cannot be removed. They are there.

tell that to the Jews who were in Germany and other parts of Europe in the early 1940's. Tell that to the undesirables or "threats" in Stalin's Soviet Union, the list goes on and on. Yes I am making that comparison because I believe this has the potential to get to such an extreme.

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Nobody else is moving their capital.

don't be so sure. the prime minister is pushing this hard. i'm telling you, you are underestimating him. dude is dangerous and smart as fuck.

Benjamin Netanyahu: More countries plan to recognize Jerusalem as Israel

[Scrumhalf]

He's not going to be able to kick out 5 million people. Those days are long gone. He's trying to do an old fashioned land grab, building settlements and stuff. Totally illegal. But he won't succeed.

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[Bouncer]

He's not going to be able to kick out 5 million people. Those days are long gone. He's trying to do an old fashioned land grab, building settlements and stuff. Totally illegal. But he won't succeed.

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Britain and France laughed at Germany and the thought of Hitler rising to power in the years after world war 1. They were absolutely sure they had taken away Germany's ability to ever wage war again. France was in absolute shock when Germany steam rolled them in such a short period. They all said "those days are long gone". History can and will repeat itself if the chance is given.

2 years ago you would have said there is absolutely zero chance that a person like Trump could ever be the president of the US.

Making statements like "those days are long gone" is flat out gullable IMO..

[Bouncer]

And the plan all starts to fall into place. If you guys think Israel and America didn't expect this you are gullible as hell. This was purposely put in place to destroy the peace process, removal of "enemies of the state" and/or "terrorist" which Palestinians will be labeled as they fall into the trap, and strengthen the Israeli state. It's not right and I don't condone it but this is absolutely whats happening and if you can't see history repeating itself here in various forms I don't know what the hell to tell you.

https://nypost.com/2017/12/08/palest...s-turn-deadly/

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Israel is an apartheid state. There's no getting around that fact. That's not a political position that is tenable in the long term.

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Israel is an apartheid state. There's no getting around that fact. That's not a political position that is tenable in the long term.

I had to look up what "aparthied" meant I admit it. But once I understood what you were saying I came to the conclusion that I disagree once again. lol.

Do you disagree with this 2017 New York Times article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/o...th-africa.html

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Yes, disagree vehemently. We are not talking about Israeli Arabs but Palestinians. The occupied territories. Apartheid is EXACTLY what it is.


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[Bouncer]

Read past the first few lines scrum. He addresses the Palestinians. This is someone who has actually lived and experienced life in south africa and Israel.

"I am acutely aware of Israel’s problems and faults, but it is nothing like South Africa before 1994. Those who accuse Israel of apartheid — some even say, “worse than apartheid” — have forgotten what actual apartheid was, or are ignorant, or malevolent.

As for the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel captured from Jordan in 1967, this is an occupation. The army essentially controls about 2.7 million Palestinians, whether in the 60 percent of the West Bank under direct Israeli control or in the other parts nominally under the Palestinian Authority.

The Oslo accords in 1993 between Israel and Palestinians were supposed to bring about peace and a Palestinian state in the West Bank, but both sides fouled up. Palestinians stepped up terrorist attacks, helping to drive many Israeli Jews to the right. In the absence of a peace agreement, Israel continued to build settlements: Some 600,000 Jews now live in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem.

No question, Israel lays itself open to attack for its actions in the West Bank. Its misdeeds and the undermining of the two-state solution through settlement-building provide abundant ammunition for critics. What the B.D.S. movement calls the “apartheid wall” — in fact, mainly a wire fence, except in populated areas — was erected between Israel and the West Bank for security reasons, primarily to keep out would-be suicide bombers. Regrettably, as it was constructed, the wall also became a means of enclosing and grabbing additional West Bank Palestinian land. That was ugly and grasping, but it has nothing to do with apartheid-style racial segregation.

The occupation is an oppression. No rule over an unwilling and resistant people can be pleasant, and enforcement is harsh. But from my perspective, there is none of the institutionalized racism, the intentionality, that underpinned apartheid in South Africa. So why does the B.D.S. movement insist otherwise?

Founded by Palestinians in 2005, the movement has spread internationally and is now embraced by a heterogeneous alliance of Muslims, Christians, anti-Zionist Jews, right-wingers and left-wingers. Anti-Semitism is evident among certain B.D.S. supporters. Even in Israel, some on the left go along with the apartheid accusation out of despair at being unable to end the occupation or halt the country’s move toward right-wing extremism.

The movement points to the boycotts it says brought down apartheid, and argues that this is the way to attack Israel. That belief is simplistic and mistaken. While boycotts were certainly important, they were not as decisive as B.D.S. supporters claim. A combination of factors pressured white South Africa into surrendering power. The most significant was the end of the Cold War, which meant that while black liberation movements lost Soviet support, whites lost the crucial backing of their anti-Communist Western patrons.

During the yearslong struggle for freedom in South Africa, the African National Congress, now in government, refrained from violence against white civilians, with very few exceptions. This was, in large part, a strategic decision to avoid scaring whites into a refusal to yield power. Suicide bombings and murders by ramming pedestrians with vehicles never happened in South Africa. Yet Israel has had them aplenty. Security concerns have dictated Israel’s precautions and responses, not an ideology of apartheid racism.

The most deceptive of the B.D.S. movement’s demands is for the return of Palestinians who fled Israel or were chased out at gunpoint, mostly in the 1948 war. This “right of return” seems reasonable and just, but relatively few people realize that — uniquely among the world’s 65 million refugees — the Palestinians’ descendants are defined as refugees. The original 750,000 Palestinian refugees now number six million to seven million. A mass return would destroy Israel as a Jewish state, which is the whole purpose of its existence.

South African apartheid rigidly enforced racial laws. Israel is not remotely comparable. Yet the members of the B.D.S. movement are not stupid. For them to propagate this analogy in the name of human rights is cynical and manipulative. It reveals their true attitude toward Jews and the Jewish state. Their aims would eliminate Israel. That is what’s at stake when we allow the apartheid comparison."

[AvidFisherman]

Looks like Israel might ask is for their dozers back.

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[Scrumhalf]

There is no freedom of movement for Palestinians. They need a permit to enter East Jerusalem to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque or the Church of hte Holy Sepulchre. They cannot move from the West Bank to Gaza and vice versa. They have no right to vote even though their territories are well, occupied. You can call apartheid by any other name, and you can split hairs about how the Israelis are so much more benevolent than the white South Africans, but the end effect is exactly the same. A large disenfranchised population of second class citizens with no right to vote, no freedom of movement, no jobs.

And if Israel was really so committed to the peace process, why build settlements on what EVERYONE including the US recognizes as Palestinian land? Why? Let me tell you. Because Israel has zero interest in having a two state solution. They plan to have the occupied territories under their control forever. Slowly, they will keep building and building and building in all the best land until the day when they will be forced to accept a Palestinian state, and then they can turn around and say hey, we have all these Israeli houses and settlements, we can't knock them all down. So, these settlements will have to become part of Israel.

And the settlements are not positioned randomly. They are strategically placed to where if you need to redraw the border to include them as part of Israel, you'll have to also bite off large chunks of Palestinian land to make that happen.

It's an old fashioned land grab and apartheid plain and simple. The cruel irony is that it is being perpetrated by a people who have been persecuted and put in ghettos and shtetls and pales for hundreds and hundreds of years. It is almost like the kid who has been bullied throughout his elementary and middle school, and he turns around and becomes a bully himself in high school because, well, it's payback time. Very sad.

[Turbo3000]

There is no freedom of movement for Palestinians. They need a permit to enter East Jerusalem to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque or the Church of hte Holy Sepulchre. They cannot move from the West Bank to Gaza and vice versa. They have no right to vote even though their territories are well, occupied. You can call apartheid by any other name, and you can split hairs about how the Israelis are so much more benevolent than the white South Africans, but the end effect is exactly the same. A large disenfranchised population of second class citizens with no right to vote, no freedom of movement, no jobs.

And if Israel was really so committed to the peace process, why build settlements on what EVERYONE including the US recognizes as Palestinian land? Why? Let me tell you. Because Israel has zero interest in having a two state solution. They plan to have the occupied territories under their control forever. Slowly, they will keep building and building and building in all the best land until the day when they will be forced to accept a Palestinian state, and then they can turn around and say hey, we have all these Israeli houses and settlements, we can't knock them all down. So, these settlements will have to become part of Israel.

And the settlements are not positioned randomly. They are strategically placed to where if you need to redraw the border to include them as part of Israel, you'll have to also bite off large chunks of Palestinian land to make that happen.

It's an old fashioned land grab and apartheid plain and simple. The cruel irony is that it is being perpetrated by a people who have been persecuted and put in ghettos and shtetls and pales for hundreds and hundreds of years. It is almost like the kid who has been bullied throughout his elementary and middle school, and he turns around and becomes a bully himself in high school because, well, it's payback time. Very sad.

Fucking Mic drop......

[Bouncer]

they are falling right into Israeli hands. this was the intention and the dumb fucks respond like this every single time with the same result... now watch Israel proceed to fucken slaughter them and take even more land...

Third rocket from Gaza explodes in residential Sderot

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-st...a-rocket-fire/

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[ChiHuaHua]

Goddamn, I don't understand why USA politicians poke their nose in policy of other countries. Everyone knows that Israel violates any human rights of Palestinian people, but USA, anyway, on a side of occupants.

Just imagine, If in USA will came Chinese (as example) and in 60 years period step by step will occupy more and more land with Russia's financial and weaponry support (as example), it will be fine? I think no! So, why USA doing this....

I was once in USA, in California and saw a lot of good and friendly people which don't blame in overall USA policy. But USA politicians everyday make reputation of their country shitty and more shitty, why damn, they was chosen to serve and protect not for this.

Why USA people don't make protests about external policy of their own country? From the side, from me, it looks like in USA mafia is at the helm, and regular people intimidated by cops and pseudo justice which working for you only if you are rich. A part of Americans just do not knows about country policy in which they live, another part knows, but do not doing something to change this, because care only for their ass and pockets. American pseudo-democracy is a shame of the american nation.....sad, but I true...

Every fucking year USA making something to ruin another one country..... Iraq, Ukraine, Italy, Palestine, Syria, Chad, Lebanon, Afghanistan, South Korea, Romania, Moldova, Libya .....and fuck me, I can add more then 50 countries here