Gun Owner Parents

[chuckz28]

My brother in law wasn't expecting a person he called a friend to break into his house and shoot him 5 times. Never did did a clear answer as to why. Something about a poker game that embarrassed him. Guess who's house he stayed at to feel safe for a while afterward while it took the cops a few days to find the guy? :)

Nobody ever expects to be a victim but I refuse to be. My gun is my insurance card.

[Scrumhalf]

would you take the gun in my hypothetical situation?

Nah. I'll probably end up shooting myself or someone innocent. I have more important things to plan a strategy for, like what happens if a lighting bolt hits me.

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[Bouncer]

Nah. I'll probably end up shooting myself or someone innocent. I have more important things to plan a strategy for, like what happens if a lighting bolt hits me.

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Ridiculous attitude. Home invasion happens far far far more often compared to a lighting strike.

[Scrumhalf]

Ridiculous attitude. Home invasion happens far far far more often compared to a lighting strike.

Still not big enough to bother me. If I have the inclination and the time, I'll take driving lessons. Much, much more likely to save me in a situation that happens almost weekly, distracted drivers doing stupid things around me.

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[Bouncer]

Still not big enough to bother me. If I have the inclination and the time, I'll take driving lessons. Much, much more likely to save me in a situation that happens almost weekly, distracted drivers doing stupid things around me.

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Saw an accident on way to the gym lol


But you're still a jackass. I hope one day your in trouble and some dude has you at gun point and I swoop in and pump 30 .556 rounds into his chest at the last second. I'll look at you.. pause... and say.. Your Welcome! As I ride off into the sunset with some wild west Tarantino song playing in the background...

[Bouncer]

i'm going to start driving around with this on repeat..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFa1-kciCb4

[Scrumhalf]

Just don't practice any quick draws and end up shooting yourself.

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[mofo]

Still not big enough to bother me. If I have the inclination and the time, I'll take driving lessons. Much, much more likely to save me in a situation that happens almost weekly, distracted drivers doing stupid things around me.

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But using this train of thought also leads one learn about gun safety too. The more you know, whether you choose to purchase one, will make you confident in a situation where a gun is involved.

Sure, odds of car accidents are high because you chose to drive a vehicle. But let’s say, for arguments sake, you decide the odds of a fatal accident are too high and you don’t want to drive and you sell your vehicle (or never even purchased one). Would you still take basic driving lessons in the rare situation that you have to operate a vehicle (even if you don’t own one personally)?

[Bouncer]

But using this train of thought also leads one learn about gun safety too. The more you know, whether you choose to purchase one, will make you confident in a situation where a gun is involved.

Sure, odds of car accidents are high because you chose to drive a vehicle. But let’s say, for arguments sake, you decide the odds of a fatal accident are too high and you don’t want to drive and you sell your vehicle (or never even purchased one). Would you still take basic driving lessons in the rare situation that you have to operate a vehicle (even if you don’t own one personally)?

scrum buys into the belief that guns are somehow evil. he sees them as very scary objects.

but he understands cars, he uses a car, he sees them everyday, so he doesn't look at a vehicle the same way he looks at a gun even though both can easily kill you.

[Scrumhalf]

But using this train of thought also leads one learn about gun safety too. The more you know, whether you choose to purchase one, will make you confident in a situation where a gun is involved.

I agree with that. If I was a soldier or a police officer and facing someone with a gun can be a daily occurrence, I would train for sure. But as a civilian where such a situation is pretty darn unlikely (note, I am talking about a home invasion type situation, not hunting or skeet shooting or target shooting in a range or whatever), I am not going to spend a bunch of practicing for a situation that is almost never going to happen to me.

scrum buys into the belief that guns are somehow evil. he sees them as very scary objects.

Actually, I don't believe that at all. The gun isn't evil but I do believe that it is an instrument that requires a lot of skill to operate safely. It is particularly difficult to operate in the kind of high-pressure home invasion situation that you are painting. Luckily, the likelihood that I am going to be a victim of such a situation is vanishingly small and I don't feel the great need to plan for it. A home invasion is not the existential threat that I feel I need to train to handle.

[Bouncer]

I agree with that. If I was a soldier or a police officer and facing someone with a gun can be a daily occurrence, I would train for sure. But as a civilian where such a situation is pretty darn unlikely (note, I am talking about a home invasion type situation, not hunting or skeet shooting or target shooting in a range or whatever), I am not going to spend a bunch of practicing for a situation that is almost never going to happen to me.



Actually, I don't believe that at all. The gun isn't evil but I do believe that it is an instrument that requires a lot of skill to operate safely. It is particularly difficult to operate in the kind of high-pressure home invasion situation that you are painting. Luckily, the likelihood that I am going to be a victim of such a situation is vanishingly small and I don't feel the great need to plan for it. A home invasion is not the existential threat that I feel I need to train to handle.

There are 3.7 million home invasions on average per year in the US. There are only 40,000 vehicle related fatalities on average per year.

Keep brushing it off as if it's nothing and could never happen. I hope your right and it never happens to you.

[Scrumhalf]

How many accidents are there that cause injuries or loss or damage of property? That should be the metric.

And no, I never said that an armed home invasion will NEVER happen to me, but the probability is so small that it's not worth my while to get a bunch of hardware and go through the process of training myself to use it in a high pressure situation.

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[Keiser]

Scrum, you don't have to become a gun nut and spend a lot of money and time on getting something to protect yourself and your family from a home invasion. Just a simple shotgun or pistol and 1 box of shells and you're set.

Not sure where you live, but it's a much bigger deal if you are in a single family home. In an apartment/condo complex (like Bouncer lives in) it's really dangers to shoot at an invader as you've got neighbors all around. An AR-15 in an apartment complex would be a disaster.

[Keiser]

There are 3.7 million home invasions on average per year in the US. There are only 40,000 vehicle related fatalities on average per year.

Comparing home invasions to vehicle fatalities isn't a great analogy. Either compare home invasion fatalities to vehicle accident fatalities or home invasions to vehicle accidents.

I don't know the numbers, but what percentage of home invasions end in fatalities?

[Bouncer]

An AR-15 in an apartment complex would be a disaster.

Ammo dependant. As a civilian you are not stuck with only fmj like the military has to use. Ever hear of open tip Sierra match kings? Ever hear of 556 Hornady TAP? These are hunting/self defense rounds specificly designed not to over penetrate. They penetrate about as deep as a 9mm hollow point but obviously have far greater stopping power.

Sure if I use my fmj 556 green tip penetrators they will blast through body armor and about 20 walls to boot. But fmj should only ever be a self defense round if its all you have. It's obviously better than nothing but open tip is the way to go when keeping collateral damage in mind.