18 school shootings this year

[lipripper]

Proves my point that most don’t have the mentality to kill, especiallly teachers.

In the wake of the deadly school shooting in Parkland, Florida, some are calling for teachers, administrators and other adults at schools to carry guns to help prevent mass shootings.

A Utah teacher explained why she carries a handgun to school every single day.

Kasey Hansen revealed that the idea to arm herself in the classroom began with the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, where 20 children and six adults were killed.

"The teachers just huddled their kids in the corner and stood in front of them and hoped for the best. They didn't have any defense for them, and all that they could do was hope that the bad guy didn't come in and shoot up their room," Hansen said. "For me, I needed a better option, I needed a better plan set in place rather than hunker down and just hope for the best."

She said she began carrying a gun at school shortly after Sandy Hook, and she immediately got pushback from some, which has persisted to this day.

Hansen noted that she is a responsible gun owner, having completed a concealed-carry class and extensive training at the gun range.

"I became a teacher because I love children. I love children, and I would do anything for them," Hansen said. "And if that means taking a bullet, then yes, I will take a bullet for my children. But why not give me the chance to also fight back in the process?"

[Bouncer]

Do you know many cops?

Most departments have pistol certification yearly. YEARLY. Police officers aren’t delta force like you are imagining. Most officers that I’ve met aren’t into guns. They don’t shoot outside the mandated training. That is the sad reality. And school resource officers are usually given that job because they suck on the streets. Fat, old, etc.

while that may be true for many. it's definitely not my experience at the range. i see 4-5 different cops every single time I go to the range. I've talked to a bunch of different cops while waiting for a lane to open up. these guys (even in cali) love legal gun owners and definitely would do what needs to be done in terms of what a cop SHOULD do. yesterday 1 was checking out my LWRC and asking me where I got it and how much I paid etc.. he loved the spiral fluted barrel.

obviously i realize cops at a range in their off time are going to be a bit different from the norm. just pointing out that there are plenty good ones who do shoot regularly.

[Keiser]

You didn't answer the question

Why do you think there weren't school shootings 20 years ago? Is it because teachers had guns in the classroom? I honestly don't know, but is that your stance?

My point is, Chadd is that 20 years ago was 1998. What laws regarding schools and teachers having guns are different between 1998 and 2018?

Did we take guns away from teachers which caused these mass shootings? Is there a case on record from 20 years ago where an armed teacher stopped a mass school shooting. I honestly don't know, but would like to hear your thoughts on what is different between today and 1998 (which wasn't that long ago, as I was even out of high school by then).

*** Edit, researching school shootins and there were plenty from 20-25 years ago, see my post below.

[Keiser]

no, they didn't need to. neither did we need armed security or police in schools 20 years ago for fear of a mass shooting.

that's the point. 20 years ago this wasn't happening but firearms were just as accessible.

I don't think that's the point Chadd is trying to make. He didn't use the word "accessible", he claims that gun laws were less strict. From my understanding he was trying to claim that gun laws were more relaxed 20 years ago and there were no shootings and I thought we were debating on arming teachers, so were more teachers armed due to the more relaxed laws?

and..... *** Edit, researching school shootings and there were plenty from 20-25 years ago, see my post below.

[Keiser]

lolol. 6 hours is a bit much but i definitely like to research and understand a subject once I really get into it. i like to try and understand as much as I can about whatever i'm interested in.

add to that i've probably been to the range and fired more rounds in the last 3 months then all you fags combined. :D

Fine. I understand the concept of learning things on line and being a newbie and spending hours at the range & becoming knowledgable. But, you can't draw the conclusion that I'm not a shooter and not pro-gun like Bouncer attempted to do just because I know almost nothing about bulletproof vests and what type of bullets can penetrate what type of kevlar, etc. I have zero interest in learning about that or buying one.

[Keiser]

Also, the deadly Columbine shooting was in 1999 so about 20 years ago. I'm not sure that Chadd has any type of valid, rational point here. I'd like for him to elaborate.

There was also a school shooting in Oregon in May of 1998:
Thurston High School shooting: After killing his parents at home, 15-year-old Kip Kinkel, drove to Thurston High School, where he killed two students and wounded 23 others.[298] After pleading guilty, he was sentenced to 111 years of prison.

And one in Arkansas in 1998:
Westside Middle School shootings: 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson, and 11-year-old Andrew Golden, killed a teacher and four students, and wounded ten others, as Westside Middle School emptied during a fire alarm intentionally set off by Golden.

And 1996 in Washington state:
Frontier Middle School shooting: 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis, killed a teacher and two students and wounded another student when he opened fire on his algebra class. Loukaitis was sentenced to life in prison.

Come on guys, let's drop the, "didn't happen 20 years ago" nonsense. If we are going to have intelligent debate about this, let's stick to facts.

Also, that reminds me. Those against AR-15's a counter argument to that is that AR-15s weren't used in the Columbine shootings from my memory. I think those kids had shotguns and 9mm pistols and around what 13 people were killed? So it's even more stupid to blame the type of gun based on this alone.

[Bouncer]

Call it 25 years then keiser. The point is it was pretty much unheard of back then.

[Bouncer]

By the way, the deadliest school shooting in US history was done with 2 pistols. Just pointing that out for idiots like redback who think AR's are the root of all evil.

[Bouncer]

It wasn't just 1 cop that did nothing, it seems that multiple broward county cops did nothing. It took cops from another town (coral springs) to actually do something. No wonder the Sheriff of broward county was so focused on blaming guns and the FBI for this tragedy. He was trying to take the heat off himself and his shitty officers.

(CNN)When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff's deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building.
Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/polit...ies/index.html

[jack tors]

And most schools are a pretty big size with multiple buildings. These 3-4 teachers would be spread out and busy TEACHING. The armed security would be patrolling and watching cameras all day and could react quickly.

nah
there was an armed security person at the last shooting

[Keiser]

To defend scrum a bit. Unbelievable but that kids family was caught doctoring the emails they said came from CNN.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...9X&sh=ec9019a7

[Bouncer]

To defend scrum a bit. Unbelievable but that kids family was caught doctoring the emails they said came from CNN.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...9X&sh=ec9019a7

sad shit.

[Bouncer]

(CNN) A woman close to the Parkland, Florida, school shooter called an FBI tip line in early January to describe a young man with an arsenal of knives and guns who was "going to explode" and said she feared him "getting into a school and just shooting the place up."

"I just want to, you know, get it off my chest in case something does happen and I do believe something's going to happen," the woman said, according to a transcript of the January 5 call reviewed by CNN.

The FBI admitted last week that it had failed to act on the tip. In a statement then, FBI Director Christopher Wray said that "we have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrible tragedy."

In the days since the massacre, people who knew Cruz have described a troubled young man who was often at odds with law enforcement and made violent posts online. The FBI and local police have revealed that they had received several warnings about his behavior.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/polit...ipt/index.html

[Bouncer]

A message from Hickok45

Having spent about eighteen years in school buildings as a student and twenty-nine years in school buildings as an unarmed teacher, fifteen of them post-Columbine, I think I have a right to voice an opinion on this matter. I'm pretty proficient with firearms, yet I faced each day of teaching knowing that I could easily be shot down right along with my students.

So, school administrators, board members, parents, and anybody else responsible for the kids in your community, is your school safer this week? If it is, great work. Thanks for getting at this important task. If not, WHY not! Are you not angry enough yet? I am angry, and I don’t blame students around the country for being angry. Why would they NOT be angry; they are at risk, and nobody seems interested in actually fixing the problem. And I can’t blame an immature sixteen-year-old for placing all the blame on guns; there are plenty of adults who can’t get past that false notion themselves.

I want to know - are you one of the many school administrators just sitting around this week philosophizing and pontificating over coffee about gun control fantasies and improvements needed in the mental healthcare system? Meanwhile, hundreds of unprotected, innocent young people are streaming into your buildings every morning. Since you’ve probably devoted much of your life to obtaining multiple degrees, you are likely well prepared to be a very confident and polished speaker when the national news stations stick their microphones in your face. But if tragedy strikes YOUR school system next week, next month, next year, tomorrow, are you prepared to sacrifice the lives of your students, all the while knowing that there were some pretty effective preventative measures that could have been taken.

I have a shocking newsflash for you, the 2nd Amendment is not going anywhere, and the mental healthcare system and better background checks are not going to be fixed by next Thursday. How about you do what you can NOW! Just consider me naïve, but I think it’s absolutely stunning that every school system in the country has not scoured its budget this week and trimmed some fat, “fat” that could hire some armed security for their campuses, maybe some stronger doors and windows at access points, along with other forms of real security. And if you think youngsters are going to be traumatized by armed guards, they’ll do just fine. REAL trauma is when somebody is terrorizing them with a bomb or a gun.

I like to think if I were in your position that I would already have been meeting with board members, county commissioners, the mayor, the governor, number crunchers in the systems, teachers, building administrators, etc. on an urgent mission to get my buildings and campus as secure as possible RIGHT NOW! Kids’ lives depend on it. Local police departments, along with parents, reserve deputies, and volunteer veterans, could have a serious impact on your security right now, tomorrow morning, when those precious kids get off the bus or drive into the student parking lot.

As left wing politicians have meetings and strategize how they can use these tragic events to promote their gun control agenda, there are very disturbed individuals out there amongst us right now looking for violent ways to “get even” with the world and be the dominate topic on CNN and Fox News for the next two weeks. Why this is not being addressed in every single school building in the country this week in very practical fashion is just beyond me. We can fret and fight over “gun control” NEXT WEEK. We can work on improving the mental healthcare system NEXT WEEK. We can work on making sure serious mental health history shows up on background checks NEXT WEEK. THIS WEEK is when our kids are sitting ducks in all your “gun free zones” that are “gun free” only until somebody with evil intent shows up with one.

As someone in the news stated this week, “The next school shooter is out there, and he probably has a gun,” which would create a sense of urgency in MY mind if I were at ANY level of responsibility in any school system. And, of course, the threat might not even be a severely disturbed teenager; it might just be a hate-crazed religious fanatic from across the globe with an AK47, or a truck, or a bomb.

How about we get the school buildings and our kids protected NOW!

Sincerely,
Hickok45

[Keiser]

I've been continuing to research, and in my research I found the first ever school shooting on record, some native american Indians came into a school and killed kids with bow and arrows:

1764!

Enoch Brown school massacre: Perhaps the earliest shooting to happen on school or college property, in what would become the United States, was the notorious Enoch Brown school massacre during the Pontiac's War. Four Delaware (Lenape) American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and nine children Only two children survived.