Is going green good for the poor?

[lipripper]

Damn...i actually thought you would stand behind what you've discussed in the past...it's not popular now...so i guess like all political opinions it changes as needed to fit the discussion of the day. I'm disappointed.

No.

Stop reducing this to sound bites. It trivializes a complex problem. I think you are better than that.

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[Scrumhalf]

Damn...i actually thought you would stand behind what you've discussed in the past...it's not popular now...so i guess like all political opinions it changes as needed to fit the discussion of the day. I'm disappointed.

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WHAT?

What the hell are you talking about?

MY POSITION HAS NEVER CHANGED. I'm here, making a good faith attempt to engage you guys, trying to put across the science.

I'm putting in the time and effort to tell you that it isn't all or nothing, tha the negotiations involve huge solar investments on part of the Chinese and the Indians COMBINED with fiancial incentives from the industrialized countries to ensure that developing economies can make that transition successfully.

It's not either-or. The developing countries have a point when they say hey, you guys managed to industrailize with cheap oil and now when its our turn, you move the goalposts and tell us that we have to do it with more expensive green energy. So help us bridge the cost gap.

Looks like you guys have have zero interest in engaging in an honest convesation about this.

Fuck it. Do your own goddamn research. It's the last time I'm going to spend time making a point when all I get is bullshit responses. If I want fucking snark I'lll go somewhere else.

And stay ignorant. You can only lead a horse to the water. You cannot make it drink. Choose to stay thirsty if you want.

I'm out.

[lipripper]

So .your angry scrum because you seem to have been caught in your contradictory thoughts on this. Yes fix climate change..but put it on the rich and allow the rest time to change. Just another progressive double standard .it's not about real change...just get the people who were smart enough to really develope civilization as we know it today while we make excuses for the rest to continue to pollute.....and allow them to get richer n develope....while the ones who really helped the world move fed get punished...lol
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WHAT?

What the hell are you talking about?

MY POSITION HAS NEVER CHANGED. I'm here, making a good faith attempt to engage you guys, trying to put across the science.

I'm putting in the time and effort to tell you that it isn't all or nothing, tha the negotiations involve huge solar investments on part of the Chinese and the Indians COMBINED with fiancial incentives from the industrialized countries to ensure that developing economies can make that transition successfully.

It's not either-or. The developing countries have a point when they say hey, you guys managed to industrailize with cheap oil and now when its our turn, you move the goalposts and tell us that we have to do it with more expensive green energy. So help us bridge the cost gap.

Looks like you guys have have zero interest in engaging in an honest convesation about this.

Fuck it. Do your own goddamn research. It's the last time I'm going to spend time making a point when all I get is bullshit responses. If I want fucking snark I'lll go somewhere else.

And stay ignorant. You can only lead a horse to the water. You cannot make it drink. Choose to stay thirsty if you want.

I'm out.

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[Scrumhalf]

Stop lying. I went back and looked at my posts

I am annoyed because you guys are just making shit up. Because you guys have really have no intentions of having an actual conversation based on the facts. It's all just trolling. I have no intentions of wasting my time with trolls.

I have been entirely consistent throughout. I have always maintained that China and India are big polluters and they need to do a lot, and they indeed are doing a huge amount. They are installing solar capacity like gangbusters.

At the same time, we would be dishonest to not accept that they have a point that they should be given more time, or support, to meet the Paris targets (which are voluntary anyway).

So, in every post and every thread, I have maintained that yes, China and India need to clean up their act and yes, the industrialized nations owe the developing world support, either financial or schedule flexibility or both.

Which is what I just said in this thread as well.

Nowhere have I said that China and India and other developing countries don't need to do anything and it's all up to the industrialized countries to bail then out. That is completely made up by you guys.

Ok, that's it.

You guys carry on with whatever it is you want to believe. I am sure global warming is just a conspiracy between rich climate scientists, Soros, Clinton and the pizza shop owners.

Have a day.

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[Bouncer]

Scrum we are in agreement on climate change.

Where we aren't in agreement is where you point the finger at the US and cast us in the bad guy role seemingly every time while not also pointing that same finger at others who are even bigger offenders in many cases. China gets a pass in your eyes because they chose communism and got left the hell behind 100 years ago.

Not sure what the hell your on about with pizza shop owners. You must be popping too many Flexeril these days. :D

"Have a day!"








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[chuckz28]

Fun facts: C02 consists of .04% of the atmosphere. 400parts per MILLION

Optimal range of C02 for plant growth is 1000-3000ppm



I love how we are supposed to believe that .04% of the atmosphere is the LEADING driver for global climate. Even if we doubled the co2 currently in the atmosphere there still is not even one tenth of 1% parts per million.

You're saying scientists have accurately determined how much of that .04% is human caused? And even if so does it really matter?

Look we need to clean up our act. Nobody wants to breathe dirty air but co2 isn't pollution. We need to stop acting like this is a global fucking crisis that needs to cost trillions to stimey.

Nobody is saying climate change isn't real. People are just saying let's get real about the numbers here and either find the REAL leading driver for climate change, or better yet, learn to adapt to it while cleaning up our act.

Tapatalk sucks balls

[redback]

I cannot believe that Merica, supposedly the greatest nation on earth, was actually questioning climate change.

You guys have to be literally the last civilized country to accept it. How fucking behind are you on this??

Over here is a big part of everything we do. Its factored into a lot of university degrees, particularly construction/architecture where legislation was turned on its head years ago.

[chuckz28]

I cannot believe that Merica, supposedly the greatest nation on earth, was actually questioning climate change.

You guys have to be literally the last civilized country to accept it. How fucking behind are you on this??

Over here is a big part of everything we do. Its factored into a lot of university degrees, particularly construction/architecture where legislation was turned on its head years ago.

How about reading, do they teach you to read? Might want to brush up on it and reread what I typed.

[rado]

Why must you always state she Latino? What the reason..who gives a fuck...Latino...white. Asian...black...why scrum?

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Agreed.

Sick of the "she is latino"....no fucking shit

[rado]

"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." –Mark Twain

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." –Mark Twain

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[redback]

How about reading, do they teach you to read? Might want to brush up on it and reread what I typed.

Why are you assuming I was talking to you? I wasn't.

[Bouncer]

Agreed.

Sick of the "she is latino"....no fucking shit

my bitch is latina and i still say build the wall! :D

[lipripper]

Better watch that calling her a bitch shit bro....she sees this..she will cut your cock off while your sleeping.. lmfao

my bitch is latina and i still say build the wall! :D

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[rado]

my bitch is latina and i still say build the wall! :D

Sexist homophobic narcissist fucking twat you are lol

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[Bouncer]

i'm offended by myself.