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  • Fighting Hairloss- MY Diary

    You think you know, but you have no idea....... :)


    Ok, due to the interest in this topic and the number of questions I get, Ill be tracking my battle against losing my hair. This will be an excellent reference thread, packed with info. I promise you.


    Here's my story

    Im 24 years old (almost 25) and Im surrounded by bald men in my family. Since the baldness is acquired primarily from your mother's side, I took a look at the men from her side... my uncle who's mid 40's is long past bald, and my grandpa, although deceased, was bald in his early 30's. The big one is my brother, who's 19 months older than I am and he's about 75% bald.

    Phase 1: Realization

    For some reason I was nieve enough to not thing I would lose my hair. My barber (who knew my grandmother) always told me my hair was too damn thick to cut once it grew out.... although I now see my brother on a weekly basis and I see him without his hair (he began losing it in high school) and he just doesnt care. Never thought it would happen to me.
    *I first noticed shedding after showers, which is the common place to observe it. Didnt think nothing of it.... then my girlfriend would run her hands through my hair and get 3-4 hairs and make fun of me, still didnt bother me. Oneday after telling my barber to cut my hair kind of short (team I was conditioning started outdoor practices, didnt want to get hot) and he did as directed. I went home to wash my hair and almost shit a brick. My hairline was fasing back quickly and my bangs were thinning dramatically. Now remember, I have thick blondish-brown hair and never even paid attention to hairloss.......

    Phase 2: Prelude to the battle

    At this point, I began to read up on hairloss (MPB & androgen related). I knew only a fraction of whats out there. My hairloss wasnt bad enough that I needed Propecia right away, so I figured I could calm it with some OTC Polysorbate 60 shampoo. I began using this shampoo every other day with my regular shampoo and didnt like the greasy feeling it left. I dont think this actually helped but I think its good for cosmetic reasons because it makes your hair appear thicker than it really is. I stopped scrubbing my hair real hard after showers as well. I also stopped rubbing my hands through my hair so much, anything I could do.

    Phase 3: Dealing with Depression

    Some people like being bald, some people look good bald, I dont and I dont like it in the least. All I was told was "use a BIC", "Shave it". To which I promply responsed with "Fuck you raisin head". Im 24 years old and I do not want to be bald, simple as that. They make hairloss prevention products for a reason, not everyone wants to go bald in their 20's. And to whomever is following this journal, dont listen to people who tell you to just shave it, theres a myriad of products to slow, stop and even help regrow hair out there, it can be done.
    Male alopecia (baldness) has several stages of depression I think. The first is a little panic, the "what am I going to do stage?". This is where you need to relax. 9 times out of 10 you're the only one who notices any shedding. Then you have the "Spend $100 on random products" phase. Again, relax. Read about male pattern baldness and choose products that work. Im going to be real honest with you, fighting hairloss isnt cheap, we'll get to that later. Next you have the stage in which you no longer notice females (or males if you're into that) you begin starring at every man's hairline. If you do this, you'll notice A LOT of men who are losing or who have lost their hair. You're not alone brother. The final stage is the stage in which you want to give up. You learn how expensive it is to fight it and you begin picturing yourself being bald and debate whether or not to shave it, but your hands just wont let you do it.........

    Phase 4: Becoming Educated

    If you'll notice, I have been posting several hairloss related links & articles lately. This is for a reason. I sit around at work most days and read up on hairloss, causes and preventions. Take it upon yourself (before you see a doctor) to educate yourself about hairloss. So if and when you see your doctor, you can carry an intelligent conversation about it with him. You make his job easier and you give yourself a better chance of scoring some Propecia. The more you understand about the topic, the more educated decisions you can make and the less depressed or down you will feel about losing hair. This is great motivation. Read other people's stories, read about products, before you know it, you'll be ready to go to war against your hairloss!

    Phase 5: Declare War- What Hairloss is Packin'

    Why am I losing my hair? Most would say "who gives a shit? all I know is Im losing it". Careful, different products work based on why you are losing your hair. Dihydrotestosterone or DHT is our Al Queda. This is what we want to destroy. To make it short and sweet, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5-alpha reductase. The 5-AR is the conversion enzyme. So why not destroy that enzyme and all hairloss ceases, right? You wish. Its not that easy. Look on the bright side, if you're castrated and not taking in androgens from the outside (ie. steroids) you wont have a problem. The DHT will cause an early onset of exfoliation. If you have an excess of the 5-AR enzyme, look out.... in short, the DHT causes changes in the hair follicle, resulting in an auto-immune response attack on the hair. So basically, DHT signals your body's immune system to attack and destroy your own hair! So now we have to fight hairloss in 2 ways damnit. From the DHT conversion area and the inflammation area. So if you're prone to male pattern baldness it sucks, add in some anabolic steroids and it really speeds up the rate in which you lose your hair. So that poster in your high school health class is correct in a sense when it tells you steroids will cause hairloss. Certain medications can cause hairloss, as well as thyroid or hormone abnormalities and all these should be taken into consideration. Im more concerned with the male pattern baldness/DHT related hairloss.

    Phase 6: Your Arsenal

    Ahhh, the moment you've all been waiting for. The weapons you will have at your disposal to kick hairloss' ass. First lets go over some over-the-counter goods.

    Rogaine (Minoxidil) I wouldnt buy Rogaine to be honest with you and if you do, buy the Wlamart version for much cheaper. Minoxidil is the active ingredient in Rogaine and is really what we're after. Rogaine will generally last you 1 month and is not cheap. So here's a shameless plug for www.wholesalehairproducts.com and our good friend Nizoralman. Niz carries the same size bottles of pure Minoxidil for about $8. Minoxidil is a decent product in stopping hairloss. Its advertised as a hair re-grower and for some it does, but you must be realistic about your hairloss, its worth the money spent on it, but dont expect a miracle, that guy on the commercial you saw was very lucky (and using more than Rogaine Im sure).

    Nizoral Shampoo You'll notice this product is now sold over the counter for severe dandruff. Well it can be beneficial to us future bald guys of America as well. The 1% can be found at Walgreens, Walmart, etc. You can go to the website above and get the prescription strength 2% if you wish. Nizoral shampoo is an anti-fungal shampoo and has an active ingredient Ketoconazol (I know you dont care, you just want to know what its going to do for you) but there is no true evidence of how Nizoral works against baldness. It could block DHT or be sort of an anti-inflammatory. To be totally blunt with you, Im not real worried about how it works, only that it does. Some see it as the holy grail of stopping hairloss and thats enough for me. The pricetag could be better on this, but then again, you could be bald.

    Folligen Folligen is a copper binding peptide (exciting aye?) Bascially copper binding peptides have an anti-inflammatory property that can be very beneficial in the battle against baldness.

    Spironolactone Cream- Spiro is a topica anti-androgen cream and although some think the jury is still out on it, I have never heard of a negative review of Spiro. Great to use when on cycle.

    Nioxin- This is basically a shampoo that creates a good growing enviroment for your hair.

    Azelaic Acid- This another topical thats said to inhibit the 5-AR and is also said to be anti-microbial. This is also effect when on cycle.

    Vitamins & Minerals- As basic as it comes. Things like vitamin A and zinc are said to aid in stopping hairloss and creating a clean enviroment for regrowth. Another reason to take your multi.

    Other products Here is a list of other products you can look into: Inner Shampoo, Retinoic Acid, Emu Oil, Biotin & polysorbate 80 shampoo.

    Now we arrive to the prescription 'shock and awe' approach to fighting hairloss and only one product comes to mind... Propecia. Propecia/Proscar (known as Proscar in 5mg version) was originally given to battle prostate enlargement, but studies have shown Propecia shrinks the over-all amount of free DHT. Propecia is a serious step, maybe the most effective in stopping and even re-growing hair, but it comes with its sides. The sides are said to be found it only 2% of users, but most say and I agree that its much higher. This is a decision you must make after careful thought. I opted to being Propecia after reading about it until my eyes bled.

    Phase 7: The final phase- Patience

    We have discussed very briefly what causes hairloss and what to do about it. This is a very general guideline, but good enough for me. Now we come to the most difficult part of the war... patience. The only thing I can say and be 100% sure about in your hairloss is its not going to happen overnight. You know, Ill go out on a limb and say it wont happen in a week, or even a month. But I can say the quicker you realize you are losing your hair and the quicker you begin to take action, the better the chance you have of stopping and even re-growing your lost hair. Products like Propecia and Minoxidil take time. Months and months. Be ready for some heavy shedding while on these products, but DONT QUIT USING THEM! This is a normal occurance. Your hair growth cycle is sped up and and will lose hair before you grow some back, this is naturally, dont quit using your products. In the mean time, pray to the hair gods for us all. Now for some honesty.... you can use all of the above products and not see any delay or regrowth of hair. Thats life. What works for me, might not work for you. Its not a sure thing, because you use these things doesnt mean you will regrow or even stop hairloss. Set a realistic goal. If you're young and have only lost a little hair, you may grow some back, but let's face it, if you're in your late 30's and lost most of the hair on top, dont set a goal to regrow it all back, its not going to happen. So set a small, achievable goal, so when you reach it, its great motivation. Have some patience and know what you're getting youself into. Fighting hairloss isnt cheap and its not a sure thing, but Im not going to sit around and watch my hair fall out.......

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    Now on to more important things, me. Since this is my diary, I will update it regularly and let you guys follow along and hopefully it will inspire you to fight it as well. If you are not prone to male pattern baldness and dont have anything to worry about, fuck you and may you have cancer instead :)

    Like I said earlier, my hairloss isnt noticable yet, so I decided to kick its ass before it gets worse. Today is that day. I will being Propecia at 1mg everyday for the rest of my life (or at least until I marry, then Ill let it fall out :) ) Here's my routine for each day:

    1mg Propecia
    1/2ml to each side of my hair of Minoxidil (1ml total) twice a day (opon awakening and going to bed) **Some say once a day is enough, but Im taking no chances.
    Nizoral shampoo generously 3 days a week, alternating with a selenium based shampoo like Head & Shoulders


    This is fairly simple and common and Im praying it stops my hairloss. Im content with just stoping it, so any hair I regrow is a gift. I will keep you posted on side effects, results and what I see/feel and I hope some will comment on this thread or at least keep an eye on it. I can answer a good bit of questions as I feel confident in this area....... wish me luck!

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    • #3
      not only was that educational but entertaining. i am sure you knew you were putting bits of subtle humor in this piece and it was not wasted. "prelude to the battle" i almost shit my pants laughing so hard! i hope you fair well in your war. i have stayed off hair loss with spiro nizoral and minoxidil. i am in my mid 30s and have a receded hairline but it hasnt budged since i started using these products. even on cycle.

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      • #4
        Excellent post! I'm not a guy, but maybe I'll find this useful for someone else in the future. Good luck!

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        • #5
          YellowJacket,

          That's an A+ post, lotsa hairloss posts but most in bits and pieces, did a little research myself so know how many hours you have into and to spend more for all of our benefit is great.

          Question: Your post is first one ever read anything about thyroid related.

          Which brings me to my question. Been on test awhile and in whole life, (45yrs) never had hair problems or ever saw any shedding.

          Well, a month into a low dose of t-3, 25mcg a day, started noticing shedding, and thought damn, that's the test cause I had upped dose over last month. So ordered nixoralmans stuff, don't know if it was cheapest, definitely was easiest.

          So, got my supplies and used them as directed for like a week. At that point ran out of t-3, had pharmacy grade pills from friend, so ordered some liquid, and low and behold the week it took to get here my hair stopped shedding. Of course I was happy, although as soon as got the new t-3 got back on and then a 3-4 days later shedding again, which as you know is frustrating, and thought, heck was working now it's not, plus there's that wonder is the androgen suppresion affecting other aspects of cycle.

          Anyways, based on what you know and I described you got me thinking for me t-3 is the culprit, not the test, cause never had problem before. What's you're take?

          Thanks
          Trip

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          • #6
            Hey man....

            Anytime you start messing with your hormone balances, hair loss is pretty much a side effect. Hypo or hyperthyroidism can both cause hairloss. Your body sort of sees hormone level changes as a crisis. Luckily the hair loss isnt permanent and cab ne reversed.

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            • #7
              Day 2

              Not really feeling anything, of course I was 100% positive I wouldnt. Just wanted to check in and drop you guys this link I found where you can go and post questions on a message board about hair loss and they will be answered by doctors and professionals: www.thebaldtruth.com

              Here's a great read on Hair Loss By Buffdoc.

              Upon researching Propecia yet again, Im seeing side effects are fairly common as opposed to what Merck claims. Sexual dysfunction seems to be common and one week is about the average time needed to observe it if indeed you are having any. So now Im praying I dont get any sides of that sort. Below is a list of quotes or observations from members around the board regarding Propecia:

              "I´m on Propecia and have been for about 4-5 months. I can´t say that it works miracles but I´ve been on drol, test and dbol for 2 months (not more than one oral at a time) and I´ve not seen any hairloss from my part. Test at 1000mg a week for 6-7 weeks.
              Have not seen any regrowth either but then again, both my brothers lost their hair in their mid 20s and they are completely bald, with that said I KNOW I will loose my hair, hopefully I´ll keep my hair a little longer than my 2 older brothers though"

              "Yeah I read that too in the leaflet.I have no issues regarding sides though"

              "I've been using propecia for two years....no sides at all'

              "I have use propecia before about 1 yr. Needless to say it didnt work for me i ended up with alopecia total hair loss. Iam now in my third full year. But i have done alot of research on propecia and have found out that you can devolpe total mix reaction in some males using it. As in total hair loss"

              "i took proscar for hair loss for 6 months and saw zero results. on top of that, my sex drive was not what it usually was so i chucked that shit in the garbage. "

              "I'm takin proscar .......great results
              Caught the hairloss early and shedding has completly ceased.
              No negative sides as far as muscle is concerned.
              The sex drive sides subsided after a couple months into using."

              "I have used it for the past year or so. It seems to have stopped my hair problem, or at least slowed it to a minimal rate."

              "I've used it or propecia (same thing) for over a year. Certainly seems to have stabilized my hair, but you know, it's hard to tell. Thing is, if you start it, you gotta keep taking it. Not a big deal, but intermittent use WON'T work. You'll lose anything you saved."

              "I started to use the proscar on a HEAVY cycle and it ceased all of my hair loss. I was noticing hair on my pillow and after i washed my hair but it is just fine now. Shit is also cheap, I'm not gonna come off of it...."

              Last edited by YellowJacket; 08-10-03, 05:09 AM.

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              • #8
                YellowJacket, aka, "The Hair Loss Avenger" :)

                where's the update for monday and today?

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                • #9
                  Day 4

                  (For you sana :) )

                  Im still shedding quite a bit, not sure where its coming from but its coming out none the less...... Im waiting for the shedding to speed up a bit, it gets ugly at points, but its nothing I didnt expect. Propecia & Minox. both make your hair fall out at a more rapid rate, but thats a good thing because its starting your hair cycles over again..... to start some regrowth.... Propecia works for 85% of men.. let's hope Im one of those......

                  No side effects from the Propecia yet, but Ill give it 30 days or so before I make an official diagnosis of any side effects. The Minox. makes your hair look like shit if you let it stay in for any amount of time, so let it dry, then wash your hair.

                  Thats about all I have for now, I will be back again around Friday.

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                  • #10
                    Damn YJ, killer thread.

                    Good luck to you, and if not, may the hottest, most limber bi-sexual 22 year old girl fall in love with your 'raisin head' :D

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                    • #11
                      Day 7

                      Thanks Tinfish :)


                      I got my haircut yesterday and my barber commented on how quickly my hairline as drawn back...... fuck him. :) No change as of yet, still 6-7 hairs on my towel after I wash my hair and some on the pillow in the morning.

                      I have noticed that Nizoral dries my scalp out pretty bad, which sucks and is the opposite of what I want. Im also thinking of adding in Niacin (B3) for its minor vasodilation properties, since lack of blood flow to the scalp and follicle is a prime reason hair falls out, but extended use of niacin can be harsh on the liver so maybe Ill hold off.

                      No sexual side effects from the Propecia, in fact, I almost feel more sexually aggressive, of course Im trying not to be sexually dysfunctional so bad it may just all be in my head, but Im not complaining. Waiting for the Propecia to kick in, usually around 1 month of use you can notice hair shedding come to a complete stop and around 4 months you'll notice some regrowth, if you respond well to it, but like I said before, Im content with just getting it to stop.

                      Be back soon........

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                      • #12
                        Day 11

                        Still no side effects to report. I havent missed a pill or application thus far. On the downside, Im now losing about 30 hairs a day from showering and just rubbing my head. I dont expect it to subside for at least another 2-3 weeks.... but hopefully Ill be wrong and it will be much sooner. Im vertex is still fully intact, only my hairline is fading, Im pretty sure Im good to go in the back of my head.

                        WIll keep everyone posted, hopefully my next entry will to say the shedding has subsided....

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                        • #13
                          i thought the average person loses 50-100 hairs/day?

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                          • #14
                            According to who? If in fact they do, and I suppose they could, they'll grow theirs back so its no big deal, I wont.

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                            • #15
                              i think my stylist :) i was asking how i could stop my shedding - i lose quit a bit of hair as well, and i'm not sure i grow it back. got any articles on female hair loss???? :)

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