My promis to myself with your help...

[Bouncer]

After all that bitching and moaning, I walked into Comcast with my gay lunch box and they sat me at a desk. Luckily, I was able to eat when I was supposed to. Altogether this week has been spot on. I am going on a trip this weekend and I have my meals made and my packed in my cooler. However, in a week I am leaving for Europe. That is another bowl game.

good to hear you are able to get your meals in.

[NewbieChris]

After all that bitching and moaning, I walked into Comcast with my gay lunch box and they sat me at a desk. Luckily, I was able to eat when I was supposed to. Altogether this week has been spot on. I am going on a trip this weekend and I have my meals made and my packed in my cooler. However, in a week I am leaving for Europe. That is another bowl game.

[redsquirrel]

Clothes are usually the best way to judge progress - they lie less than mirrors do most of the time - don't stress over one bad day - just stay on track...

And stay off the scale!!! Just because the scale may not move does NOT mean you aren't losing BF!

[Bouncer]

Clothes are usually the best way to judge progress - they lie less than mirrors do most of the time

not for me. i simply cant remember how things fit weeks and weeks ago etc.. the mirror always tells me the truth. it says the same thing every time, "you are fucking ugly." :D just a little humor to brighten your gay days. :)

[coffee-guy]

Well I switched meal plans and things have been going well. I feel as though my pants are looser. Such a sad thing to have to say to describe my progress, but oh well. I missed my meal plan yesterday completely, so I am trying to get back on board today and not fall of the wagon.

Clothes are usually the best way to judge progress - they lie less than mirrors do most of the time - don't stress over one bad day - just stay on track...

[NewbieChris]

Well I switched meal plans and things have been going well. I feel as though my pants are looser. Such a sad thing to have to say to describe my progress, but oh well. I missed my meal plan yesterday completely, so I am trying to get back on board today and not fall of the wagon.

[NewbieChris]

Not as of this moment. I think I might ask him what he thinks about combining the last two meals, ask him about the early morning oats, and get more information on 'why' the cytogainer. Then depending on his response and what this specific routine he makes for me is like I will take the time to think it out. I might also use him for workouts depending on this workout. I am leaning towards hiring him right now and just not questioning due to the fact that everyone says one major problem is the scatter brain. If, after a month, there are no results I will definitely drop him. If there are results and training with him has changed my complete attitude towards this, I will probably keep him on as an adviser and utilize this site more fully. The second thing is what I am hoping is going to happen.

I hope that was clear. It came out a jumbled mess.

[Bouncer]

Thanks for the advice everyone.

have you decided on what you are going to do?

[NewbieChris]

Thanks for the advice everyone.

[wnabeabeast]

Addition to other stuff you don't have to chug a litre of water as soon as when you wake up just drink it through out the day.


I am with Red, no carbs after your 5pm meal, also I don't know what time you go to sleep but I wouldn't eat anything after 9:30pm (including a protein shake) let that be your last meal.

[redsquirrel]

well the diet just isn't as effective as it could be.

first i would add more carbs to your first meal, that meal is the fuel for the day. 1/3 cup of oats is not enough. thats only like 25 grams of carbs. you need around 40 grams of carbs at the very least.

not sure what he is referring to by "1/2 cup of starch" in your other meals. i would replace that with 3/4 cup long grain brown rice in those meals.


i would also include fish oil into your diet.

This is true, however,he's getting carbs throughout the day. I think no more than 1/2 c oats would be just fine to get him to his 10 am meal.

Again, i think 3/4 c is maybe just a hair too much. I think 1/2 c brown rice, or 6oz potato would be good/

Fish needs to be incorporated for sure....But that should be added a little further down the line when he starts to plateau. However, he could replace one of his steak meals per week w/ salmon

[redsquirrel]

Just so none of you have an aneurysm reading this post. I have not given this guy any money yet, and I have not agreed to anything. Today was my 'sizing up' day to determine where I am at and exactly what he needs to do with the workout. It is a strict circuit routine with about 10 exercises and then a break. The following is the diet he has prescribed...

6:15
Multi-vitamin
litre of water
green tea

6:30
40 min of cardio (HR 160)

7:15
1/3 cup dry oats
6 egg whites, 1 yolk (2 on lifting days)
1 serving of Fiber Choice (tablet)

10:30
3 scoops Ctyogainer w/ water

1:45
6 oz chicken
6 oz veggies
1/2 cup of starch

5:00
same as above with steak

6:00-7:00
M-W-F: Lift 'circuit' + 30 minutes of easy cardio
T/Th-Sat: 40 min cardio (he is a very large fan of the stair master)

7:00pm
2 scoops whey
2 pieces of white bread, 1 on non workout days (Specifically says the white bread because it will be absorbed quickly)

7:45
same as 5:00 and 1:45

9:30
4 egg whites

10:15
Casein 1 scoop and 1 fibre choice



I am somewhat skeptical. I like the idea of eggs as my last meal, but I am worried specifically about the ctyogainer replacing a meal. I am also somewhat worried about the casein protein. My supplement costs when from almost nothing to through the roof. Although I suppose I will be saving money in food, but I just don't know.

First and foremost- it is much more expensive to eat clean than it is to eat like shit. But, you don't have to eat the shakes all the time. Tuna is cheap enough, and packs just as much protein. In fact whole meals are better than shakes anywayWhat tells me that this guy doesn't know is ass from a whole in the ground, is he has you eating fats with carbs. When you eat fats with carbs, your body then has 2 energy sources. Therefore, what happens is your body stores one of them. If you take anything from this, remember not to eat carbs when you eat fats. When you have a steak, just eat vegetables. When you have chicken, turkey or fish, then you can have carbs at that meal.

Thirdly, here are the changes I think should be made:

Meal 1- add 4 oz of turkey or fish.
Meal 2- Ditch the damn Cytogainer. Replace w/ 2 scoops of whey & 1/4 c nuts OR 6oz can of tuna w/ 2 TBSP Balsamic Vinegar
Meal 4- DO NOT eat carbs with your fats. Make this exactly as your Meal 3
PWO- I get why he said white bread, but this is retarded. Ditch the white bread, and have a banana instead.
Meal 5- DO NOT eat carbs at this meal. Double the veggies. No carbs after 6 (aside from the PWO)
Meal 6- Add 1 more egg white

[redsquirrel]

I have trouble understanding the small meal and how it can have such a huge effect on me. Its not like I am going to McDonalds or eating shit. Eating every few hours seems crazy to me and forcing myself to do has been very difficult.

I think one of the biggest problems is being at home. My Mom doesn't really understand this meal set up and neither do the majority of my friends. I'm hoping that time spent with a trainer will help my attitude.

Here's why eating every 3-4 hours works: In order to turn your body into a fat burning machine, you have to keep it fed, but not OVERfed every 3-4 hours. When you go too long without a meal, your body goes into starvation mode. So, what happens is your body stores what you just put into it because it's not sure when it will be fed again. So many people who eat 3 good meals a day and don't lose weight, is because they need to fuel their body more often. If they just put 2 small snacks in there, they would notice a huge difference.

I know it's hard to adapt to. And, it will take your body about 3 weeks to adjust. At the beginning, you may feel really full. But, by about the 6th week, you will be looking at the clock wondering when your next meal is because your body is now constanly burning what you put in it. It just takes a little time to train your body to do this.

[redsquirrel]

i think that is because you have not dedicated yourself and set your mind on a plan and a goal. you are all over the place.

Mainly because he's listening to too many people's advice. You need to commit to 1 person for diet, and hopefully they can help you with your training as well.

As B said, don't listen to a dietician. Dieticians are set up on the whole pyramid eating philosphy. (5 servings of whole grains, 4 servings of fruits & veggies, 3 servings of protein, 2 servings of fats, and 1 serving of sugars).

This is NOT conducive to bodybuilding, leaning up in any way, or really staying fit, IMHO.

[redsquirrel]

Post the entire diet when you get it along with your proposed workouts - I'm already a little skeptical - no trainer should be promoting supplements IMO....

Not only that, but I am really confused as to why he's having you take something with the word "gainer" in it. I thought you said you're trying to lean up?