Force feeding-who does it?

[redback]

It depends what she cooks

[rado]

The whole concept of Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF) protocols involve calorie restrictions wtih low carbs and high protein. They work very well for losing weight without losing muscle. Are you actually losing weight or are just just afraid that you might? And are you actually losing muscle?

I'm not losing but maintaining. My issue is eating my meals and at times, not finishing them due to being full too soon, this was not like this 2 months ago.

I maintain. I am adding or going back on in 2 weeks and putting more weight on. Just wanted to give myself a break....all I've been on is my test 200mgs e7 or e10 days...that avi pic is the same I am right now

[rado]

Rado, why would you make this assumption? I'm currently 6'1, 208lbs at about 14% BF. Is that Mr Olympia? No, but I've got quite a bit of muscle mass at that weight and BF percentage. I could easily get down to 10% in 6-8 weeks and I'd do that by fasting more and I wouldn't lose any muscle.

The weight you lose when you don't eat is probably just water weight since you eat so many carbs (I looked at your food thread). You're bloated bro. You aren't losing muscle when you don't eat. It's most likely just water weight and inflammation. However I do understand we are all different. Some people look "flat" on low carb, but once again that's just water volume in the muscles and not actual muscle loss.

Post pics.... let's see who's bloated:)

Taking advice from you is like me asking a broke person how to save money. I've read what you posts and although quite interesting, we can all copy paste research and read.

[Scrumhalf]

The whole concept of Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF) protocols involve calorie restrictions wtih low carbs and high protein. They work very well for losing weight without losing muscle. Are you actually losing weight or are just just afraid that you might? And are you actually losing muscle?

[Keiser]

I doubt you're in shape like some of us here...but I require fuel for training and to function

Rado, why would you make this assumption? I'm currently 6'1, 208lbs at about 14% BF. Is that Mr Olympia? No, but I've got quite a bit of muscle mass at that weight and BF percentage. I could easily get down to 10% in 6-8 weeks and I'd do that by fasting more and I wouldn't lose any muscle.

The weight you lose when you don't eat is probably just water weight since you eat so many carbs (I looked at your food thread). You're bloated bro. You aren't losing muscle when you don't eat. It's most likely just water weight and inflammation. However I do understand we are all different. Some people look "flat" on low carb, but once again that's just water volume in the muscles and not actual muscle loss.

[rado]

Man i prefer to eat more calorie dense foods than to do that. Add in more healthy fats, its an easy way to increase cals without feeling stuffed.

Yea i do eat my avocados, usually we go through 8 a week.

[rado]

Rado if you want your appetite back just up the activity level. Add 20 minutes of cardio to whatever your already doing and that shit will come right back.

Good point!

I already run 4 to 5 miles at a 7:30 to 8mn pace. Not sure I'd want to add more, I'm already running outside and that in itself, is quite the cardio.

Im going to switch my solid foods up a bit. Gonna try red meat once a week now and start eating more seafood and leaving poultry out, for now.

[Bouncer]

Rado if you want your appetite back just up the activity level. Add 20 minutes of cardio to whatever your already doing and that shit will come right back.

[StanG]

Man i prefer to eat more calorie dense foods than to do that. Add in more healthy fats, its an easy way to increase cals without feeling stuffed.

[rado]

Only time in the past I can think of that I would have forced myself to eat was when I was bulking trying to get the calories and blow up.

But when I'm eating clean like you are I'm always hungry.

Maybe it's that, mentally knowing I need to eat to maintain and rather than enjoying my food as I have, it's becoming a chore as opposed to a necessity?

And again, it's been a good month. Excited to get my bloodwork back to discuss and post.

[Bouncer]

Only time in the past I can think of that I would have forced myself to eat was when I was bulking trying to get the calories and blow up.

But when I'm eating clean like you are I'm always hungry.

[rado]

are you training a little less intense due to the injury? maybe just don't need as much calories at the moment?

It's crossed my mind...but don't think so.

We're both combing through ideas on changing our types of stuff we eat. I remember you posted how at times, you'd force feed yourself to maintain

[Bouncer]

are you training a little less intense due to the injury? maybe just don't need as much calories at the moment?

[rado]

Rado, why are you eating when you aren't hungry. Are you still following the standard breakfast, lunch, and dinner timeline sold to us by breakfast cereal marketing companies or are you following the bro-science of 6 small meals per day nonsense?

If you aren't hungry, don't eat. Your muscles won't eat themselves, that's also bro science. There are a lot of benefits to fasting especially intermittent fasting and there are several big/ripped guys who practice this if you want I can point you to them. Look at the leangains concept for example or Dom D'augistino who is big and ripped and does ketosis and IF.

As for me, I never eat breakfast other than my coffee. I stop eating around 8pm at night and then eat lunch the next day around 12:30-1:30 so I have essentially a 16 hour fast. Feel great.

Because when I don't eat, i drop weight...no bro science needed, it's factual.

I don't fast or intermittent need to do it either. It's those times when I need to eat, but my appetite says otherwise.

it's been a good month. What made me think about this today was when my gf asked me last night why I'm not eating as much these days. She's made this comment before so it's making me think.

She cooks over 40 meals a week for us combined. So when she's cooking less and seeing me not eat as much or not have that appetite, it concerns her and raises an eyebrow for me.

I'm sure your eating style works for you, I doubt you're in shape like some of us here...but I require fuel for training and to function

[Keiser]

Rado, why are you eating when you aren't hungry. Are you still following the standard breakfast, lunch, and dinner timeline sold to us by breakfast cereal marketing companies or are you following the bro-science of 6 small meals per day nonsense?

If you aren't hungry, don't eat. Your muscles won't eat themselves, that's also bro science. There are a lot of benefits to fasting especially intermittent fasting and there are several big/ripped guys who practice this if you want I can point you to them. Look at the leangains concept for example or Dom D'augistino who is big and ripped and does ketosis and IF.

As for me, I never eat breakfast other than my coffee. I stop eating around 8pm at night and then eat lunch the next day around 12:30-1:30 so I have essentially a 16 hour fast. Feel great.