Force feeding-who does it?

[Keiser]

No fat does not "make you lean". If your eating nothing but avacados and bacon and your going over the amount of calories your body burns per day you will get fat.

It's incorrect to say fat makes you lean. It's incorrect to say fat makes you fat. It's incorrect to say carbs make you fat. It's incorrect to say carbs make you lean.

It's about calories in vs calories out.

There are numerous prominent professionals in the health/fitness industry who would disagree with you here, but we've already debated this no reason to do it again.

I don't believe it's a simple as calories in vs calories out. I believe It's about hormones, gut bacteria, and insulin. Higher fat diets control your insulin spikes much better, regulate your fasting glucose, and the additional cholesterol helps produce hormones, after all the building block of testosterone is cholesterol. Can't make testosterone without it.

Let me ask you, why do Bodybuilders cut carbs several days prior to a show? You are an expert here. Do they cut carbs and increase fat or do they simply just cut calories? I'm asking this honestly as I'm not tuned in to exactly what bodybuilders do when they are just a few days out.

[Keiser]

I've been doing very well on how I do things for me...not because little johnny did it that way, or because science says it's that way, or because bbr's do it a certain way; I do it my way because it works for me.

SUGAR is NOT bad if you know how to use it wisely and so on. If that's the case, I'll stop eating my fruits...not going to happen.

Your blood work says otherwise. Your triglycerides are super high and I posted information regarding this in your bloodwork thread for you to research. Once again this comes back to SUGAR and more specifically FRUCTOSE. You should also get an ultrasound of your liver to make sure you don't have fatty liver disease (Also caused by excess Fructose).

You aren't going to limit your fruit intake now? "not going to happen"? After we are pretty much certain that's why your triglycerides are out of range? Ask me how I know this? Because I used to eat a ton of fruit and made smoothies with it every day and hat triglycerides over 200 and when I stopped the fruit they dropped down to 70. I have a very progressive doctor out here and he was up to date on the latest science, smacked me upside my head and told me to cut down on the fruit big time.

[rado]

Why only Chicken? Because it's "lean"? Why not a rib eye steak or some full fat ground beef or pork chops/bacon? Haven't we established that fat isn't the problem and it's processed carbs and sugar/fructose? You continue to make comments that lead me to believe you're still not coming around on the science that fat does not make you fat and actually it's the reverse of that. Fat makes you lean. Look at what bodybuilders do right before a show. They cut carbs and increase fat to drop those last few bodyfat percentages to get ripped.

(Yes I know I owe you a thread and it's coming)

you must have missed my many previous posts on how I don't like to eat red meat, much that is.

Let's get something straight though; you keep pushing your beliefs and what the internet, studies, etc...onto me; STOP:thumb:

You remind me of those who are stupid religious and keeps pushing your thoughts, concerns, beliefs, etc...

I've been doing very well on how I do things for me...not because little johnny did it that way, or because science says it's that way, or because bbr's do it a certain way; I do it my way because it works for me.

SUGAR is NOT bad if you know how to use it wisely and so on. If that's the case, I'll stop eating my fruits...not going to happen.

I don't care if my comments continue to make you feel otherwise. YOU KEEP talking and yet I've seen anything that's good that you post THAT IS NOT TAKEN FROM THE NET. My science comes from me and trials and errors.

I ask for advice from those I've known for many years, those who I know for a fact are experienced, etc...You keep trolling my posts on my food, fine so be it. But stop telling me I'm doing wrong.

I don't take advice from broke people and I'm certainly not going to take advice from you, nothing personal. But let me explain why.

You came to this board as a troll and still are. You say you lift? ok if you say so...post pics...post your food intake...show some evidence of what you do, it's quite easy to talk rubbish here. PROVE yourself and then perhaps, you'll catch my attention.

Not being an ass, but I want to save you time and energy from the continuance of your posts. I hope you don't take this in a bad way, because although it seems like I'm being a wise ass, I'm really not:)

I just don't like people who keep pushing shit or their beliefs onto me when I'm doing well. I ask for advice? Sure do...I take it all in and formulate what I think will work for me, if I fail? I'm good with that; otherwise I would never learn.

Anyway, have a great day and again...my post is merely just voicing out my opinion, as you have.

[Bouncer]

Why only Chicken? Because it's "lean"? Why not a rib eye steak or some full fat ground beef or pork chops/bacon? Haven't we established that fat isn't the problem and it's processed carbs and sugar/fructose? You continue to make comments that lead me to believe you're still not coming around on the science that fat does not make you fat and actually it's the reverse of that. Fat makes you lean. Look at what bodybuilders do right before a show. They cut carbs and increase fat to drop those last few bodyfat percentages to get ripped.

(Yes I know I owe you a thread and it's coming)

No fat does not "make you lean". If your eating nothing but avacados and bacon and your going over the amount of calories your body burns per day you will get fat.

It's incorrect to say fat makes you lean. It's incorrect to say fat makes you fat. It's incorrect to say carbs make you fat. It's incorrect to say carbs make you lean.

It's about calories in vs calories out.

[Keiser]

i've gotten better about it the last few weeks. you can only do so much with fucking chicken lol

Why only Chicken? Because it's "lean"? Why not a rib eye steak or some full fat ground beef or pork chops/bacon? Haven't we established that fat isn't the problem and it's processed carbs and sugar/fructose? You continue to make comments that lead me to believe you're still not coming around on the science that fat does not make you fat and actually it's the reverse of that. Fat makes you lean. Look at what bodybuilders do right before a show. They cut carbs and increase fat to drop those last few bodyfat percentages to get ripped.

(Yes I know I owe you a thread and it's coming)

[ssoyegun]

because you black:D you got good genes:grin:

You can't tell me this 260lbs was good genes... they're okay, but I bust my ass in the gym.

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[jack tors]

I think pretty much every bodybuilder has too.... I eat even when I'm not hungry.

[rado]

For the most part I stay no higher than 7%. I've k8nda bulked once. I try to balance light dirty bulk to eat then cut..I'm 5 10, right now I'm 206 like 7%. Contest day, 185 3%. Weird thing is I normally cut in 3.5 weeks, normally don't lose more than 3lbs muscle.

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because you black:D you got good genes:grin:

[ssoyegun]

This was like few weeks before contest

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That was my heaviest in 2 yrs. 13lbs of fat at 6.4% 3wks out. After coming back from cruise too.

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[ssoyegun]

This was like few weeks before contest

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[ssoyegun]

For the most part I stay no higher than 7%. I've k8nda bulked once. I try to balance light dirty bulk to eat then cut..I'm 5 10, right now I'm 206 like 7%. Contest day, 185 3%. Weird thing is I normally cut in 3.5 weeks, normally don't lose more than 3lbs muscle.

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[rado]

I'm like you, it seems like a chore to eat sometimes. Some days I can get 3 real meals. Maybe 3x week.

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i've gotten better about it the last few weeks. you can only do so much with fucking chicken lol

relatively you and I are about same weight but i believe you're taller? I'm 5'8" and i walk around mid 180's right now...but when on, i walk 192/198lbs and still able to maintain 9 or 10% bf...when you're off, do you keep lower bf and just add lean mass or do you bulk then cut?

i ask because for many years i did the bulk bulk bulk and would cut very minimal. now that i've gotten myself to single digits(or 10%), i love being this way...it's NOT hard to maintain low BF all year round. what I do find hard though is packing more mass, i pack on very slow lean mass, hence me doing year long cycles.

[ssoyegun]

surprised you don't consume more than those 2 meals...but works for you so why fix what's not broken right?

I'm like you, it seems like a chore to eat sometimes. Some days I can get 3 real meals. Maybe 3x week.

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[rado]

Same here..I'll start back with winny in 5 weeks. Mast, primo, test. I wish my snack was healthy as yours. I know if I do shake n chips, it's better than just chips. Yea, I get 2 good meals, 2 shakes, 2 snacks. Like 4 bcaa drinks thru the day. My body fills out as the day goes on just like competition day. I do try to carb cycle with not only high n low days, but clean and dirty days to keep my body guessing.

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surprised you don't consume more than those 2 meals...but works for you so why fix what's not broken right?

[ssoyegun]

Same here..I'll start back with winny in 5 weeks. Mast, primo, test. I wish my snack was healthy as yours. I know if I do shake n chips, it's better than just chips. Yea, I get 2 good meals, 2 shakes, 2 snacks. Like 4 bcaa drinks thru the day. My body fills out as the day goes on just like competition day. I do try to carb cycle with not only high n low days, but clean and dirty days to keep my body guessing.

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