Mini cut or mini bulk before Havoc cylce??

[The_Grinder]

Ok well I'm going to continue my cut for a little bit. I got up early this morning and did sprints and the local high school track. I'll spend today revamping my diet. (Even though it is already very clean.) After I cut for however long it takes, I will re-evaluate the PH thing.

[3v1lj03]

I think you should stay away from the Pro hormones. What happened to the Grinder who said "I look forward to all the time I have for natural muscle building" I paraphrase But I am sure I can find that and many similar quotes from you. I think you should reevaluate your goals, nutrition plan and your workout to meet those goals and yes even supplementation but not Pro hormones. At 22 you have not even hit your peak for muscle building yet. I would not even consider any kind of hormones until you are at least 25. I bet with the right plan and dedication you could easily put on 20 lbs of muscle naturally in the next year. I agree with B cut or bulk but do it right and I would add without pro hormones. They are not all that great anyway.

[Bouncer]

i still say do one or the other. cut and do it right or bulk and do it right. so what if you lose a bit of muscle. you can gain it back slowly once you are shredded. dont get into the habit like so many average gym rats do of going back and forth. they cut for a bit then bulk then cut etc.. i call the flip floppers. meanwhile they look the same for 10 years because they never dedicate themselves to a goal.

[The_Grinder]

it depends on what you look like now and how happy you are with your cut. from what i remember, your not very cut but not very big either. if i were you, i would go all out and get shredded. get very lean and then SLOWLY bulk. most people make the mistake of bulking fast and just putting on a bunch of fat.

Well, at 22, never been on anything stronger than creatine, with less than optimal genetics, i wanted to get a jumpstart and add some lean mass. My cut kind of stalled out at 189, and i just didnt feel like I was going to lose much more fat without digging into the muscle at the rate I was going. I actually got down to about 10% BF or so a month after those pictures. (Just didnt take any more pictures because I got hairy again and lost my tan) I just think if I get "shredded" ill be fucking 175 lbs or some shit.

Whether I bulk or cut some from where I'm at, my basic question is this. "Before going on cycle is it a good idea to start from a very cut state or after you have put on a little size after a cut?"

[Bouncer]

it depends on what you look like now and how happy you are with your cut. from what i remember, your not very cut but not very big either. if i were you, i would go all out and get shredded. get very lean and then SLOWLY bulk. most people make the mistake of bulking fast and just putting on a bunch of fat.

[The_Grinder]

I am wanting to start my first Havoc cycle in about a month. Right now I am at a very neutral weight for me. I got to about 189 on my cut, and I have put on about 6 pounds, clean bulk style. Still cutting carbs completely out after 18:00 or so.

So over the next month or so, should I trim up a little bit, or try and put on a little more size and strength naturally??

My thoughts are, if I cut a little bit, I can shock my body with high calories and the Havoc. But, if I bulk a little bit, I can build some strength and size before my cycle, and be stronger starting out. (which is always good)

This is my first PH cycle so I would appreciate any help. Here's my planned cycle by the way, feel free to comment... (By the way, I will be using a completely OTC PCT consisting of Anobolic Innovation's Post Cycle Support and IForce's Reversitol.)

10 days prior: 2 scoops of cycle support daily

On Cylce: (2 scoops of CS every day)
Week 1: 10-20 mgs daily (10 mg first 4 days, 20 mg last 3 days)
Week 2: 30 mgs
Week 3: 30 mgs
Week 4: 30 mgs

PCT: (2 scoops daily of whatever I have left of CS)
Week 1: 3 tabs Reversitol daily
Week 2: 2 tabs Reversitol daily
Week 3: 2 tabs Reversitol daily, 4 caps PCS
Week 4: 1 tab Reversitol daily, 4 caps PCS
Week 5: 4 caps PCS
Week 6: 4 caps PCS

iFORCE REVERSITOL

Cycle Support - POST Cycle Support