common gym errors and wrong advice u hear, and giving ur personal good advice on...

[JUICE]

Originally posted by psychojr36
amazing post juice it didnt bore me one bit and the thing about maxin on bench no lie i have got that at least 5 times this week

thanx bro, just wanted to post this for a while now but forgot, lol. But its things I would see and see at the gyms.:D

[Taylor]

Re: common gym errors and wrong advice u hear, and giving ur personal good advice on...

Originally posted by JUICE


On chest, people benching and letting the weight go down fast, instead of bringing it down slowly to feel the muscle. I see alot of people not going all the way down to the chest, instead just going half way up and down. Not gonna grow there BUDDY

Some people work on their bench in two parts.....at the bottom half of the bench its generally more pressure and use on your shoulders and in the top half of your bench its more of your triceps doing the work.....so maybe if someone for example is having trouble getting the bar by that halfway point there just trying to work their triceps in a bench press movement?

Either that or they have no clue what they are doing, lol

[Wolfhound]

Originally posted by stonecold54
[B](that is where most of them think they have "peaked" out in there training when they should be looking at why they have). /B]

Hey Stonecold, I got a question. I've been lifting for 5 years. I got my diet right two years ago and have been doing all heavy basic movements since then.(deadlift, squat, benchpress, barbell rows, clean and press, dips, leg press, barbell curls,etc.) Usually work one body part a workout. 3 to 4 exercises, 4 - 6 reps, good form, HEAVY. I'm out of the gym in 40 min.
I feel as though I have acheived genetic potential at 6'4" 250 lbs, with less than 15% bodyfat.(I can see abs) You say my problem isn't a question of exercises anymore. I know it's not my diet. I eat nothing but chicken, eggs, steak, skim milk, salad, sweet potatoes, whey protein, fish oil, flax oil, creatine and water.
I have long arms and legs, short torso, and pretty short muscle bellies. I want some advice on how to fill in my physique. I'm 25 and I'm still natural but I can't gain any more mass, or size. I have tried working out 5 times a week. I've even tried 3 times a week.
Does my answer lie in a bottle?

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by Wolfhound
Hey Stonecold, I got a question. I've been lifting for 5 years. I got my diet right two years ago and have been doing all heavy basic movements since then.(deadlift, squat, benchpress, barbell rows, clean and press, dips, leg press, barbell curls,etc.) Usually work one body part a workout. 3 to 4 exercises, 4 - 6 reps, good form, HEAVY. I'm out of the gym in 40 min.
I feel as though I have acheived genetic potential at 6'4" 250 lbs, with less than 15% bodyfat.(I can see abs) You say my problem isn't a question of exercises anymore. I know it's not my diet. I eat nothing but chicken, eggs, steak, skim milk, salad, sweet potatoes, whey protein, fish oil, flax oil, creatine and water.
I have long arms and legs, short torso, and pretty short muscle bellies. I want some advice on how to fill in my physique. I'm 25 and I'm still natural but I can't gain any more mass, or size. I have tried working out 5 times a week. I've even tried 3 times a week.
Does my answer lie in a bottle?

no your answer lies in taking a few weeks off and getting your workouts in perspective. If people really wanted to know how much working out they should be doing why does everyone start in the middle. what I am trying to say is that if you want to find out what works and what doesn't, doesn't it make more sense to start out with one set instead of 20? A truley scientific approach to lifting would be someone who started at zero (obvious no muscle gain there) sets and then worked his/her way up in total sets and days of working out to see where diminishing returns started. Most people start off with at least 3 day's a week and at least 15-20 sets a workout. but if that is not working which way do you go? UP or DOWN? see how much more time that takes to find an optimal workout. but if you start with the minimum you only have one way to go, UP. I would say take a few weeks off, read my posts on TUT or Time under Tension and Fatigue Testing (fiber type testing, just do a search and you should be able to find them). then ask me some questions in the meantime. just to add at age 25 you are nowhere near your GP. There are guys in there mid thirties that still make gains, you just have to keep those gains in perspective. You aren't going to make gains like you did 2 years ago or even 6 months ago. Good luck to you and keep the questions coming. thanks

[ZHowitzer!]

Re: Re: common gym errors and wrong advice u hear, and giving ur personal good advice on...

Originally posted by Taylor
Some people work on their bench in two parts.....at the bottom half of the bench its generally more pressure and use on your shoulders and in the top half of your bench its more of your triceps doing the work.....so maybe if someone for example is having trouble getting the bar by that halfway point there just trying to work their triceps in a bench press movement?

Either that or they have no clue what they are doing, lol

sooo if the bottem half is mostly shoulders...and the top half is mostly triceps...why is the bench press thought of as a chest exercise if it is mostly NOT chest?


:rofl:

[Wolfhound]

Originally posted by stonecold54
I would say take a few weeks off, read my posts on TUT or Time under Tension and Fatigue Testing (fiber type testing, just do a search and you should be able to find them). then ask me some questions in the meantime. [/B]

Thanks for the reply. It sounds like fatigue testing is very calculated. I think I'll give it a try. It's going to be hard as hell to stay out of the weightroom for two weeks. I'm going to have to f*** at least 5 girls a day just to replace all the endorphins I get in a workout. That's probably the biggest reason I always stuck to lifting so damn heavy. I'd come walking out of the gym completely drained and satisfied at the same time.
I still have to read more but, where can I search on how to plan the TUT workouts after I establish my fiber type? Your help is greatly appreciated.
Two Weeks!!! Damn

[Taylor]

Re: Re: Re: common gym errors and wrong advice u hear, and giving ur personal good advice on...

Originally posted by ZHowitzer!
sooo if the bottem half is mostly shoulders...and the top half is mostly triceps...why is the bench press thought of as a chest exercise if it is mostly NOT chest?


:rofl:

your chest is obviously the target....re-read what i wrote...

if your having a problem finishing the exercise you obviously need to strengthen your triceps, and if you have a hard time getting it off your chest, strengthen your shoulders.....it's hard to strengthen your chest, when your having very weak shoulders and triceps

[ZHowitzer!]

Re: Re: Re: Re: common gym errors and wrong advice u hear, and giving ur personal goo

Originally posted by Taylor
your chest is obviously the target....re-read what i wrote...

if your having a problem finishing the exercise you obviously need to strengthen your triceps, and if you have a hard time getting it off your chest, strengthen your shoulders.....it's hard to strengthen your chest, when your having very weak shoulders and triceps

hmm why do people try and pre-exaust their tirceps to get a better chest work out (not that I have ever been one of them). Or how bout learning to use work the muscle the lift is designed for? It is a dicipline of working the muscle ... not lifting the weight.

I have helped power lifters past sticking points by using partials (even laying on the ground under a smith machine so your elbows cant go past 90 deg). I did re-re-read what you said...and you said half is shoulders and half is triceps...hmm exactly how big of a movement is the BP? >1?

actually ... traing the chest wiht a good compound movement like the bench press does work the hell out of the shoulders (esp ant. delt) and triceps among other things, and that is part of the purpose of a compund exercise.


So I gave you shit about your syntax...smile and move on...but make no mistake...you still have much to learn. Start with being able to take some shit w/o welling up.