goin catabolic?

[Stonecold54]

thanks bro!

give me an idea what you do in the gym (frequency, volume, amount of time) and how intense your kickboxing and other fighting sessions are (what is involved and stuff....mostly form or sparring, calistenics, etc...)

[ROCKETW19]

workouts with weights are 4 sets 2 lighter sets and 2 heavyer sets 10-12 rep range
depending on the muscle groupe ill do 3 different things example of legs witch I did today.
standing calf raise 5 sets of 12
140 lbs
180 lbs
220 lbs
240 lbs
240 lbs
squats 5 sets of 12
135 lbs
225 lbs
315 lbs
405 lbs
405 lbs
cybex leg press
490 lbs 19 times
580 lbs 19 times
670 lbs 12 times
760 lbs 12 times
seated 1 leg, leg extensions
100 lbs 12
120 lbs 12
140 lbs 8-12
140 lbs 8-12
work out takes 1 hour give or take a few mins.
kick boxing is fuckin crazy they try and kill you most days. 2 of the trainers work on power/combos with mild cardio compared to the other 2 guys that want you to just die.
they train us like we are getting ready for a fight witch some are. this is serious stuff not no messing round.
they pretty much run you ragged for 3 mins with a 30 sec break then back to 3 mins again and again for 1 hour. example would be throw a 3 punch combo with a leg kick for 2.5 mins as hard and as fast as you can then the last 30secs you just punch the bag as fast as you can rest 30 sec drop down and do crunches roll over to push up back to someother fourm of crunches to push ups. rest 30 sec. 10 leg kicks each side for 2.5 mins 30 secs punch as fast as you can rest 30 secs. then run 5 laps ect ect. typing it here dont seem so bad but belive me it is fuckin insane.

[Stonecold54]

ok basically i would only be adjusting your lifting schedule as I think you enjoy your kickbocking, etc... so if you ever change your frequency of THAT in the future you can adjust your lifting accordingly.

basically in your leg workout I would chop 3/4 of it out. Do a good leg cardio warmup 5-10 minutes on your favorite thing (Elliptical, bike, treadmill). small amount of stretching after that, then you can do warmup sets as follows.....assuming you know what your "Working set" weight will be, take about half that for a warmup set. Now for squats or leg press I have no problem with 2-3 warmup sets but they should not be taxing at all and should just be loosening up your body and systems for the working set. so for squats I would hit 135 twice, 225 once and then depending on how you feel go right into your heaviest set to failure (I think we all know the days we can do this, if you think you need another warmup set you can do it, but with cardio and three sets I think you should be good to go). For your legs to I think with all your work you do in the fighting arts then you really need to limit your weighted workouts. so maybe just calf raise, squats and 1 set of extensions. I know when I was doing taekwondo heavily I could not stand to much gym work because of all the repetitive kicks and horse back riding stance. But I made sure the sets I did do I kicked my ass with them to get the most out of them.

as far as the rest of your body. I would put at least 2-3 days inbetween each weight room visit. I know it may seem like not a lot and it will be hard to do but it will be good for your body. And I would try to be in and out of the gym under 45 minutes counting warmup and stretching. limit larger muscle groups to 3 movements at the most with no more than 7 (working) sets total (Chest, back, quads, hams). Small muscle groups should only need 2 movements at the most with 3-5 sets at most (biceps, triceps, shoulders, forearms, calves, upper traps). Like for shoulders doing a superset of front or side laterals with a DB or BB press right after can be an intense workout and it might only last 10 minutes if you do two cycles but if thats all we need then good :).

is this freaking you out, lol? :D

[Bouncer]

maybe stonecold will disagree but i feel like you are trying to go for 2 opposite goals. one being a bodybuilder and the other being a endurance type fighting athlete. i feel like the training and eating styles are very different.

[ROCKETW19]

I agree with alot of this I was thinkin I need to cut out some of the bull shit reps and start my warm up heavyer. I also agree that my legs are getting beat down with all the MMA then lifting. I used to go heavyer on squats but I just dont feel like it anymore since MMA. the rest of my body can take it but I realy feel it in my legs some days.
I dont know if I could take 2 days off between workouts though I wouldnt be able to get my whole body each week. maybe I will skip EOD that will keep me close to every body part per week.
overall there are some good points I will try! some I just mentaly wouldnt be able to do.lol I couldnt skip 2 day between each workout I might try EOD that will be hard enough.
thanks for your time bro.

[Stonecold54]

maybe stonecold will disagree but i feel like you are trying to go for 2 opposite goals. one being a bodybuilder and the other being a endurance type fighting athlete. i feel like the training and eating styles are very different.

I agree I was just trying to give him the best of both worlds at a minimum. its tough, I know it, I did it for awhile and I never knew which direction I wanted to go in, lol. But its a goal we all have to make.

[ROCKETW19]

maybe stonecold will disagree but i feel like you are trying to go for 2 opposite goals. one being a bodybuilder and the other being a endurance type fighting athlete. i feel like the training and eating styles are very different.

ya Im stuck in between both styles. the training is way different that is for sure but I still eat like I always have! to be big and lean comfortably.

[Stonecold54]

I agree with alot of this I was thinkin I need to cut out some of the bull shit reps and start my warm up heavyer. I also agree that my legs are getting beat down with all the MMA then lifting. I used to go heavyer on squats but I just dont feel like it anymore since MMA. the rest of my body can take it but I realy feel it in my legs some days.
I dont know if I could take 2 days off between workouts though I wouldnt be able to get my whole body each week. maybe I will skip EOD that will keep me close to every body part per week.
overall there are some good points I will try! some I just mentaly wouldnt be able to do.lol I couldnt skip 2 day between each workout I might try EOD that will be hard enough.
thanks for your time bro.

remember a calendar is just an arbirtrary time keeping device...it is not written in stone that 7 days is a magic turnaround number. its more a convienence to base our lives around it :) but any steps you take in what I wrote will be good ones. it takes time to change lifestyles and training for that matter.

[Bouncer]

the best advise i can give it pick one goal and aim all efforts at that. otherwise it kind of like the guys the want to be cut and big all the time and they stay the same for 10 years because they are always going back and forth and canceling out there progress.

[ROCKETW19]

remember a calendar is just an arbirtrary time keeping device...it is not written in stone that 7 days is a magic turnaround number. its more a convienence to base our lives around it :) but any steps you take in what I wrote will be good ones. it takes time to change lifestyles and training for that matter.

LOL that is so true bro I never thought of it that way. your like a old wise man right now!

**SIDE NOTE** I started test E about 3 weeks ago at 600mgs per week. hopefully when it kicks in next week I wont feel so beat down.

[coffee-guy]

LOL that is so true bro I never thought of it that way. your like a old wise man right now!

**SIDE NOTE** I started test E about 3 weeks ago at 600mgs per week. hopefully when it kicks in next week I wont feel so beat down.

Are you feeling any better now that the test *may* have kicked in? I only ask because I just had my first soccer practice for the season tonight and I'm worn the f*ck out - I'm just hoping to maintain what I've got at this point seeing that I haven't played ball in a competitive league in a LONG time :(...

[Bouncer]

Are you feeling any better now that the test *may* have kicked in? I only ask because I just had my first soccer practice for the season tonight and I'm worn the f*ck out - I'm just hoping to maintain what I've got at this point seeing that I haven't played ball in a competitive league in a LONG time :(...

ha, soccer is all about endurance. i would be laying in the middle of the field in about 2 minutes. lol. cant breath for shit on tren.

[coffee-guy]

ha, soccer is all about endurance. i would be laying in the middle of the field in about 2 minutes. lol. cant breath for shit on tren.

LMAO - I have asthma and I'm running Tren and I'm easily 75 pounds heavier than when I used to play competitively - needless to say I AM laying on the field after about two minutes :P

I went back out this morning to work on some speed and agility drills and I must say - there are muscles/ligaments/tendons in my feet/ankles/shins/calves/knees/quads/hamstrings/hips and abs I didn't even know existed until now :confused:

[Bouncer]

LMAO - I have asthma and I'm running Tren and I'm easily 75 pounds heavier than when I used to play competitively - needless to say I AM laying on the field after about two minutes :P

I went back out this morning to work on some speed and agility drills and I must say - there are muscles/ligaments/tendons in my feet/ankles/shins/calves/knees/quads/hamstrings/hips and abs I didn't even know existed until now :confused:

i tell ya, i am one of those guys that always thought to myself, "soccer is lame". then i watched the World Cup a year or 2 ago because it was in HD and i wanted to see what it was all about. i can honestly say that i enjoyed the world cup more then most football,baseball, basketball games. the excitment and the feel in the air of just how big it is, is amazing. the super bowl is tiny in comparison around the world to soccer. i wish more big soccer games were shown here.

[OhHannah]

well at first I was askin about durring but my next question would of been overtraining. I feel alot weaker in my regular workouts witch happen at 4:00pm.

Sounds like more of a glycogen depletion issue than necessarily a catabolism issue, though you could certainly have some other biochemical processes going on as well (eg, cortisol). Might be fixable by eating more carbs pre-workout.

for my first question Im ok as long as I have my shake and eggs. what if I went before eating anything? Im guessing that would eat up muscle?

Pre-breakfast cardio is a very good way to burn fat, but it can certainly toast some muscle too.

second question about overtraining, will I just get used to it?

No. If it's actually overtraining, that's your body breaking down for real, and your response will be to get sick, not get used to it.