Seems to be coming together

[Bouncer]

I like where this thread is going.

That being said, I look at most people over the 70K mark ( And my perspective might be different than most of the country, that's what I would like to find out; might be time to relocate) but these people's jobs are their lives I mean they are traveling more than 50% of the year when they are at home the are so inundated in work they have no time to eat right or train; the money needed to sustain a comfortable life seems to take away from being able to eat/sleep/train.

you do have a point. sana makes about 110k a year and she pretty much works 12 hour days without hardly even a lunch brake.

she does go to the gym in the morning like 3 times a week but its hard for her.

[Konitz]

I think that's where the dedication comes in first of all. Secondly - that mark is def a north eastern price range, and if you planned to have a family forget it, you would need shitload more than 70k. The traveling tho bro, it's ALL doable - there really is no excuse except yourself, that's why balance is so crucial imo.

Well I don't ever plan on having a family my parent divorce burned that into my head. I would never risk potentially screwing up a child's life. So that much money would let a single person live quite well. But I don't wanna get into all the money shit too much.

Expand on what you mean by balance.

[Bouncer]

^ huge bump - that's the only reason I came back to lifting after YEARS of chasing fake happiness, the balance I had / have with my life lifting is not even comparable to any other style of living. If you aren't a genetic monster , except it - enjoy what you do, enjoy the fact you'll still be bigger and stronger (shit prolly faster) than 90% if not more of the people in the gym. Staying fit is a great thing, and this country needs more of it - but bodybuildling, powerlifting, specific goals for sports etc ... these can all be obtained in a healthy manner with a well balanced life, I'd say they are easier to obtain that way personally.

well said. :agreed:

[the art of war]

I like were this thread is going.

That said but I look at most people over the 70K mark ( And my perspective might be different than most of the country, that's what I would like to find out; might be time to relocate) but these people's jobs are their lives I mean they are traveling more than 50% of the year when they are at home the are so inundated in work they have no time to eat right or train; the money needed to sustain a comfortable life seems to take away from being able to eat/sleep/train.

I think that's where the dedication comes in first of all. Secondly - that mark is def a north eastern price range, and if you planned to have a family forget it, you would need shitload more than 70k. The traveling tho bro, it's ALL doable - there really is no excuse except yourself, that's why balance is so crucial imo.

[Konitz]

If you aren't a genetic monster , except it - enjoy what you do, enjoy the fact you'll still be bigger and stronger (shit prolly faster) than 90% if not more of the people in the gym.

This is my problem whenever I do something I take it to to the extreme edge; I mean I have such a short uncertain time on this earth when I decide to put my time into something I have to squeeze out every last drop of it's usefulness/potential.

[Konitz]

i never saw the movie but i can tell you the old guy was flawed in a critical area. he didnt understand that you can do other things like make money and still train hard and get big etc..

you act as if its all or nothing. thats not true. you can have a life, enjoy things etc.. and still train and eat etc..

I like where this thread is going.

That being said, I look at most people over the 70K mark ( And my perspective might be different than most of the country, that's what I would like to find out; might be time to relocate) but these people's jobs are their lives I mean they are traveling more than 50% of the year when they are at home the are so inundated in work they have no time to eat right or train; the money needed to sustain a comfortable life seems to take away from being able to eat/sleep/train.

[the art of war]

i never saw the movie but i can tell you the old guy was flawed in a critical area. he didnt understand that you can do other things like make money and still train hard and get big etc..

you act as if its all or nothing. thats not true. you can have a life, enjoy things etc.. and still train and eat etc..

^ huge bump - that's the only reason I came back to lifting after YEARS of chasing fake happiness, the balance I had / have with my life lifting is not even comparable to any other style of living. If you aren't a genetic monster , except it - enjoy what you do, enjoy the fact you'll still be bigger and stronger (shit prolly faster) than 90% if not more of the people in the gym. Staying fit is a great thing, and this country needs more of it - but bodybuildling, powerlifting, specific goals for sports etc ... these can all be obtained in a healthy manner with a well balanced life, I'd say they are easier to obtain that way personally.

[Bouncer]

i never saw the movie but i can tell you the old guy was flawed in a critical area. he didnt understand that you can do other things like make money and still train hard and get big etc..

you act as if its all or nothing. thats not true. you can have a life, enjoy things etc.. and still train and eat etc..

[Konitz]

Honestly what made me think of this was in Bigger, Stronger, Faster there is that old guy living in the van that was like someday someone will notice me and I will be all set.

I know now after being outta school and having the income to support the proper diet and training I am hooked for life and also because I am in that category that was lucky enough to have a body that nets me faster results than most in the gym.

[Bouncer]

na, i dont think i could even go to the gym if it was "just to stay in shape". that type of attitude just wouldnt work for me.

[Konitz]

This all came about while talking with a friend about how some of our friends need to give up there dreams and stop wasting money on things that they are never going to become great at and just leave them as a recreational activity. We'll I questioned am I being a hypocrite and doing the same thing in regards to the gym spending all this money on food and protein shakes and what not?

I told myself in June after recovering from surgery I am gonna give myself a year of eating and training as close to perfect as possible and If I don't see any above average results it will be time to end the dream of becoming truly big and just stay in shape. As month 7 comes to a close I see that my battle will continue on. I think my results have already been achieved I started of from lying in bed for 4 months at 230lbs 20% BF I ate light and cut down to 220lbs roughly 10-12% (lost more fat but probably muscle came back from not working out for so long simultaneously. Then I just upped the intake of all my clean foods and sit at 240lbs with the same body composition as when I as at 220lbs. In these next 5 months I will be curious to see how much farther I can go, but my main question has anyone else had that same thing cross your mind?