SLOW CLEAN bulk - thoughts

[dago]

I wasnt going to comment on this thread as I really had no good advice but I do have a question for you scrum. If you choose to eat only veggies and what not ok but I would like to know at your age and with your goals why would you not even consider a low dose test only cycle? I recognize you are the natural training mod and all and understand all the reasons you may not want to use gear like 17aa steriods and other hardcore gear but why not testosterone? Its your bodys natural hormone anyway? After my next cycle I have planned I will probably only use test from there on out from time to time.

[Bouncer]

Damn, I am having a hard time choking down 2000 clean calories. I feel uncomfortably full all the time. Maybe it is all the bulk and fiber in the brown rice and lentils and oatmeal. On the positive side, my bowel movements are spectacular. :D

Your body is use to fueling your current body, gotta push to move forward bro. 2000 clean cals is a cake walk. Replace brown with white rice if it gets to uncomfortable.

[Bouncer]

Actually I will start the creatine tomorrow after doing legs. I realized I don't have a scale sensitive enough to measure 5g and I have no idea how many grams the scoop that came with the creatine tub contains. A few extra grams of whey protein is fine, but I don't want to mess up with this stuff. Thanks to Amazon prime, a brand new scale just arrived this afternoon and I am all set.

If its pure creatine it should be 5g per tsp. it should say right on the back.

[Scrumhalf]

Damn, I am having a hard time choking down 2000 clean calories. I feel uncomfortably full all the time. Maybe it is all the bulk and fiber in the brown rice and lentils and oatmeal. On the positive side, my bowel movements are spectacular. :D

[Scrumhalf]

Actually I will start the creatine tomorrow after doing legs. I realized I don't have a scale sensitive enough to measure 5g and I have no idea how many grams the scoop that came with the creatine tub contains. A few extra grams of whey protein is fine, but I don't want to mess up with this stuff. Thanks to Amazon prime, a brand new scale just arrived this afternoon and I am all set.

[Scrumhalf]

I will this evening. Did 1 hour of cardio this morning, Chest/tris this evening.

[Bouncer]

so did you add in the PWO shake with creatine and grape juice yet?

[auri]

Some manufacturers combine the two but it is more common to get a tub of each and scoop it right in your mouth then swish it down with water

Lol, I was just thinking about when I used to do that. Dirty ass tablespoon and everything.

[Bouncer]

scrum you get enough glutamine and bcaa's in your whey, no need to buy more.

[GreyingWolf]

Maybe look for natural sups to increase test and hgh?

The only one I know that is clinically proven to statistical significance is L- Arginine's effect on hgh output. I could not find any clinical studies proving that ORAL L- arginine had the same effect that the introvenous delivery method had achieved, so the claims made about oral maybe bro science but worth looking into.

Don't know anything about natural ways to boost test output (with the exception of mages onion cycle :rofl:).

[GreyingWolf]

[QUOTE=Scrumhalf;605331]I don't get much protein from lentils. Probably only about 10 or 15


300 grams cooked quinoa has 42g protien. Thought of swapping out rice for quinoa?

[GrowthMan]

Some manufacturers combine the two but it is more common to get a tub of each and scoop it right in your mouth then swish it down with water

[GrowthMan]

No pills. Heaping tablespoons

[Scrumhalf]

I had experimented with glutamine a couple of years ago. Frankly I didn't feel any difference. When you say glutamine/BCAA, are these taken combined? I only used to take glutamine pills.

[GrowthMan]

Also, from personal experience I recover from soreness faster, and stay fuller taking it in 10g of each 2-4x/day. Minimally before breakfast and before post workout shake. I only started this the last couple of years and it made more of a diff than creatine. Not saying creatine is worthless im taking 10g/day now. Just firmly believe glutamine/bcaa is superior hands down.