SLOW CLEAN bulk - thoughts

[Scrumhalf]

i dont cycle it no, i just use it on workout days though.

is whey protein off limits to you or no? i agree with the general "real food is best" mentality but not for PWO. i think whey and sugary drink like grape juice mixed with creatine gives your muscle exactly what it wants much faster then any real food meal.

Whey protein is cool. In fact, I get pretty much all my protein from whey and cottage cheese. Without them, I'd quit lifting and become a marathon runner.. :rofl:

One of the problems of being a vegetarian in this game, is that it is impossible to hit a 50/30/20 P/C/F or a 40/40/20 P/C/F macro split without things like whey and cottage cheese but also low in carbs. There are veggie protein sources like lentils, quinoa, tofu, etc. but they have either a lot of carbs along with the protein (lentils) or a significant amount of fat (tofu). There's no vegetarian equivalent of chicken which is just protein and nothing else. That's why I rely on whey shakes and cottage cheese so much.

[Bouncer]

Thanks, bro. Will do.

Do you cycle it? I've read elsewhere that it loses effectiveness unless you come off it for a while. Is that true? And do you use it only on workout days?

i dont cycle it no, i just use it on workout days though.

is whey protein off limits to you or no? i agree with the general "real food is best" mentality but not for PWO. i think whey and sugary drink like grape juice mixed with creatine gives your muscle exactly what it wants much faster then any real food meal.

[Bouncer]

You are lucky you are not next to me right now. If you were I'd punch you in your numb scull. Wtf does clean bulk mean to you? Guy just wants put on some lean muscle he even says he wants drop some bf. my first post says up your clean food intake a bit and lift little heavier. Wtf else is out there? Wtf are you arguing for?

you and rado share many things. one of which is IQ level.

[Scrumhalf]

scrum, add the creatine. 5mg per day post workout. best to have it with a sugary drink, i use it with grape juice and whey in my PWO shake.

Thanks, bro. Will do.

Do you cycle it? I've read elsewhere that it loses effectiveness unless you come off it for a while. Is that true? And do you use it only on workout days?

[Scrumhalf]

Guy just wants put on some lean muscle he even says he wants drop some bf. my first post says up your clean food intake a bit and lift little heavier. Wtf else is out there? Wtf are you arguing for?

That's exactly what I intend to do. Add more calories, mainly carbs. I am already consuming 1.5g/lb of protein, so I don't intend to increase that. Fats will continue to be low. What's a good creatine dosage? You take it post-workout, right? Do I need to cycle it?

Doing 1 hour of low impact cardio about 5 times a week.

That's pretty much it. Anything else? Beast, I thought you would reach into your personal trainer bag of tricks and give me some more pearls of wisdom bro... :)

[BEAST]

thread is titled "slow clean bulk thoughts" and he specifically asks about his training an cardio.

You are lucky you are not next to me right now. If you were I'd punch you in your numb scull. Wtf does clean bulk mean to you? Guy just wants put on some lean muscle he even says he wants drop some bf. my first post says up your clean food intake a bit and lift little heavier. Wtf else is out there? Wtf are you arguing for?

[Bouncer]

scrum, add the creatine. 5mg per day post workout. best to have it with a sugary drink, i use it with grape juice and whey in my PWO shake.

[Scrumhalf]

Lots of responses, thanks! I'll try to address the questions one by one.

Beast, come on bro... :) I know that it's calories in vs. calories out. I rarely eat out, I use fitday religiously, I probably know to within 50 kcal on any given day what my intake is.

I have been maintaining my weight to within about 1-2 lbs for the last 6 months. I weigh myself every Monday evening and I have been at 139.5 lbs for the last 3 weeks. So basically, I am holding steady.

I am going to bump up my calories by say 250 or so and see how that goes, and adjust as I go along. I definitely realize that you can't add weight without increasing calories. The reason for me making this thread was for tips on how to do this SLOWLY WITHOUT ADDING ANY FAT. I know that I can do things like UD2.0 but right now, my schedule is not conducive to that.

The general wisdom is that for an experienced lifter, it is not possible to add muscle without some fat as well. I am questioning that. Is it possible for a natural lifter, through careful macro control and judicious use of cardio, to add say 5-7 lbs of muscle without any fat increase? That's what I am going to try to do - just wonderinf if anyone here had experience with this and had any do's or don'ts.

I am open to other supplements. Creatine a good idea? I have a tub sitting on the shelf in my kitchen - just need to start using it. Anything else? And no beast, I am not going to start eating meat. There may be some intangible benefit of meat, but if I can manage my macros without meat, I question whether this is a major disadvantage.

[Bouncer]

And I bet you 10 bucks scrum doesn't know his exact daily calorie intake number.

i bet $100 you dont even know how many cals you had for breakfast other then the fact that it was probably around 1500cals consisting of sausage, cheese, cream, and sugar. now gtfo and stfu. :weights:

[Bouncer]

You are just an idiot who just wants to argue. I don't need to read shit. Thread is titled I wanna gain weight. If he knows the answer why the fuck he made this thread for?
Scrum...you wanna know how you can gain some lean muscle? EAT SOME FUCKING MEAT!!!

thread is titled "slow clean bulk thoughts" and he specifically asks about his training an cardio.

[BEAST]

You are just an idiot who just wants to argue. I don't need to read shit. Thread is titled I wanna gain weight. If he knows the answer why the fuck he made this thread for?
Scrum...you wanna know how you can gain some lean muscle? EAT SOME FUCKING MEAT!!!

[Bouncer]

i dont think he is looking for a different answer at all. read the questions in his post bro.

and yes i would bet scrum knows his daily calorie intake.

this is just one of the hundreds of threads that give you an example that he clearly knows the basics of calories in calories out.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...-numpty-novice

maybe if you read more then gen chat most days you wouldnt underestimate scrum so much you fat fuck.

[BEAST]

bro you are talking to scrum, not some newb, he clearly knows this based on all the help he has given to people in the nutrition forum.

I don't care who he is, answer never is different. Calories in calories out. You take more than you burn you'll gain simple is that. If he is looking for a different answer there isn't any. (for a vegetarian and a natty anyways)
And I bet you 10 bucks scrum doesn't know his exact daily calorie intake number.

[Bouncer]

you need to find out exactly how many calories you taking a day currently. Then have to increase those calories

bro you are talking to scrum, not some newb, he clearly knows this based on all the help he has given to people in the nutrition forum.

[BEAST]

First question is with your current diet and training are maintaining your weight or losing any at all? If you are maintaining your weight you need to find out exactly how many calories you taking a day currently. Then have to increase those calories by about 20% pretty much all protein with some carbs (whatever your protein source is) and that should be your starting point. Don't make it to complicated it's not a rocket science.
And you should start lifting little heavier.