New cycle Idea.. (M1T, 4derm, and clen)

[Matt76]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
Matt76,

I would advise you to get bloodwork done before you start a cycle of M1T. Then go back and get it done again 6 weeks later. You need to establish a baseline value before starting to make a valid comparison to your values afterwards/during. You can better determine any damage that you may be causing to your liver. Without that starting baseline, you have no idea what is happening in your system. You most likely already know this but just in case- don't drink while on-cycle and try to watch your blood pressure & your cholesterol intake, as M1T will elevate both. Be safe.

Well I will be going to the doc here in a bit to be referred to a specialist so I can get my tonsils cut out. So I might ask them to take my blood, but what do I need to ask them to check??

Also I haven't had a drink in over a year and haven't been drunk for about 3years. That is pretty good for a college student if you ask me.

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by Matt76
Well I will be going to the doc here in a bit to be referred to a specialist so I can get my tonsils cut out. So I might ask them to take my blood, but what do I need to ask them to check??

Also I haven't had a drink in over a year and haven't been drunk for about 3years. That is pretty good for a college student if you ask me.

You should probably get a full workup to have a basis for comparison. They should give you a printout of your values accompanied by reference values, which indicate normal healthy levels to measure against. If they don't give you a copy, then ask for one. People on this forum can help you understand what they mean. Included in this workup would be your liver values, cholesterol (Total, HDL & LDL), red & white blood cell counts, thyroid levels (T3), Bun/Creatinine ratios, Glucose levels, and other things that can determine positive or negative effects on your health. Get a urinalysis too while you're there.

You should always know where you stand before using any AAS/Prohormones because you could have some unknown problem (such as liver or kidney trouble) without knowing it and starting something like a methyl would exasperate the condition or could even cause a failure. By having this baseline knowledge to work from, you will be better able to determine if you are causing any damage to your system. The more knowledgeable you are about your body, the safer you will be if using AAS/Prohormones. Definitely, make sure that you have Nolvadex onhand before starting any cycle and be sure to take at minimum, equal time off-cycle as you are on-cycle. Your body needs a lot of time to rejuvenate and clear these substances from your system to ensure your health and safety. Good luck, bro.

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[therock]

Primal is right bro. You have to make sure your health is in check b4 you go on something like you are talking about. I didnt say anything cause I thought you would know this by now. Also make sure and research clen use bro. The reason why he/she would tell you that clen will still work when you start t3 is because you are started another substance that will make it seem like your clen is still working but trust me it wont be as potent. Dude trust me or search the forum for clen and you will find past threads that back up what I am saying. Good luck.

[diplomats]

thank u primal

primal is right, this is thesame thing i was saying. m1t will shut you down within a couple of days so therock please do not tell the man that running m1t for 6 weeks is thesame as running dbol for 6 weeks. m1t is a completely different compound it is very harsh on the liver and shuts you down quick. this you know so your suggesting he goes even 5weeks is not a smart thing too do.


matt76 dawg i know you want to get strong quick but your health comes first. I still do not think 5 weeks is a good idea.

just like primal said get your liver values checked. check you blood pressure and cholesterol.

another thing howmany squirts of 4aderm will you be taking, make sure to take a shower and shave before applying it for maximum penetration.

good luck bro

[Matt76]

I will be running 300mgs ED of the 4ad. I have decided to make my own with 4ad powder and mix it with dmso.

I am also thinking of running Albuterol instead of clen. I would like to hear your thoughts on this??

The way I understand it is a much superior product b/c you can run it longer and you don't have to ramp it up.

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by Matt76
I will be running 300mgs ED of the 4ad. I have decided to make my own with 4ad powder and mix it with dmso.

I am also thinking of running Albuterol instead of clen. I would like to hear your thoughts on this??

The way I understand it is a much superior product b/c you can run it longer and you don't have to ramp it up.

Although clenbuterol and albuterol are similar in some respects, albuterol is used mainly in inhalers for asthmatics. I understand that you won't be using this type of substance for years but there are some things that you should first consider:

I have two very close friends who use albuterol as an inhalant for relief of asthma and they both have eyesight issues directly resulting from extended use. Mind you, they don't breathe this substance all day long, it is more of an occasional thing- when they feel the chest tightening symptoms- but then again, you planned on using it for more than two weeks at a time. I just want you to be made aware of the possible dangers involved with albuterol use. You might want to reconsider clen.


Also, you could use the clen/T3 combo for two weeks then alternate with an ECA (ephedra/caffeine/aspirin) stack. Definitely research T3 before you attempt usage. I have thyroid issues resulting from childhood cancer and must take a synthetic version to live. If you overdose, you could cause heart palipitations, passout, or even cause a heartstorm - that would be bad news for you. If you are going to use any of this stuff, please do not go into it lightly. You must do research on these things and talk to people with prior experience with these substances because carelessness or ignorance can kill you in this game.


A last thought- have you developed a sound nutritional plan in order for you to meet your goals? I know of many athletes who have put on 15-30 lbs of mass strictly through diet without AAS/Prohormones. It's important to have a strong base to start with because steroidal help will make you stronger but muscles tend to grow stronger faster than ligaments. The relevancy of this is that the ligaments do not strengthen as quickly as muscle and as a result, tears can occur if one pushes too hard too quickly. One injury can erase all of your hard-won gains. Furthermore, no ancillary will help you achieve success without the building blocks of a solid foundation. You can't build a brick house if you don't have enough bricks available, you see my point? Go over to the nutrition section and read, read, read. After you've read everything you can there, feel free to ask questions about diet- but READ FIRST. Most answers can be found that way. Without the proper nutritional requirements necessary for building/cutting, you will be wasting your time and money.

This is all speculative of course, but if you don't have this basic stuff in order, there's certainly no need to go any further in your plan. If this post came off as condescending, I apologize. That was not my intent. People here are only trying to save you from making costly and potentially life-threatening mistakes. Good luck.

[Matt76]

no man it was a good post. I have not heard of the eyesight problems that albuterol presents.

Also I am pretty good at nutrition. Well I am for being a PL anyway. I have put on 55lbs in the past year and a half. My bench has went up 130lbs and my squat has went up 150lbs. However, I am not the best at cutting but am reading up and trying to learn as much as possible.

[therock]

Re: thank u primal

Originally posted by diplomats
primal is right, this is thesame thing i was saying. m1t will shut you down within a couple of days so therock please do not tell the man that running m1t for 6 weeks is thesame as running dbol for 6 weeks. m1t is a completely different compound it is very harsh on the liver and shuts you down quick. this you know so your suggesting he goes even 5weeks is not a smart thing too do.


matt76 dawg i know you want to get strong quick but your health comes first. I still do not think 5 weeks is a good idea.

just like primal said get your liver values checked. check you blood pressure and cholesterol.

another thing howmany squirts of 4aderm will you be taking, make sure to take a shower and shave before applying it for maximum penetration.

good luck bro

Ok what I was trying to say on my last post was that yes it is almost the samething as running dbol for 6weeks which I wouldnt do. But if he wants he can run it for no more then 5weeks but at lower dosages max 15mg. He wanted to originally do I think around 30mg! But see they are both 17aa which means toxic to the liver. So thats why I told him if he is going to do this he must take Milkthistle and ALA. Now you always bring up this shutting down topic. But in all reality it depends on the person, and getting shut down is not a serious side effect unless you are a porn star. You get shut down fine, go do pct a little longer. I was refering to the liver comparison bro. Sorry for any confusion.

[Matt76]

no i never wanted to do 30mgs a day. I was thinking 10, but reconsidered and decided to run 15mgs a day just like I did the first cycle.

[therock]

Originally posted by Matt76
no i never wanted to do 30mgs a day. I was thinking 10, but reconsidered and decided to run 15mgs a day just like I did the first cycle.

Oh shit my bad bro. I was looking at 2 things at the sametime when I said 30mgs.:rofl: I am a dumbass!
Yeah but dont do any higher then 15mgs no matter what bro. Dont run it longer then 5wks. I would really like to see you do it for only 4wks at most but its your choice and just trying to help you. Stay with the clen.

[Matt76]

rock why do you think clen over albuterol

[therock]

Well bro same reason Primal said man. Trust his word man. He knows what he is talking about.

[diplomats]

therock

yeah i understand i agree with you. but saying been shutdown is not a big deal is totally incorrect. you belive that when somebody is shut down their body test levels is like that of a 6 year old. what does this mean, well that means that all that hard gains that you worked for when you were on cycle are in serious jeopardy "spelling." you told me that you never lost any gains after a cycle, well that is because you never got shot down.

And yes off cause i am a pornstar, but to my lady only :D


dawg i think i fuked up my left elbow joint is there anything i can take, dont need no painkillers, as you know i started my cycle today. i was thinking about wrapping it up with one of those bands, is that going too work?


holla at your boy men!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matt76]

well this is my second week of PCT after a 15mg ED cycle with M1T and I worked out for the first time yesterday. I have kept all my weight and I hit a few PR's on the bench by 3reps so I think all is well:D

[diplomats]

goodjob

good job men.

I started my cycle yesterday and i too am doing m1t 15mg a day for 3 weeks on and 3 weeks off. I might add mdht later on, depends on how things go.

did you hear about the new methyl that came out a couple of days ago called superdrol? i wanted to check it out for the company that makes it and it turned out that. thesame day it cameout they sold out within 15 mins. it was suppose to be a derrivate of androl and masteron.:mad: i would have tried it out.