Proviron. Why is this not talked about more?

[Deacon]

i know what the cause is fruit loop! i said i never bothered to ask why you shouldnt use nolva with tren cuzz i never use nolva execpt in my PCT.

calling me names - what a joke

[basskiller]

I've had a few people at doses as high as 100mgs ed for almost two weeks (nolva) before the gyno subsided.
But usually 60 to 80mgs ed is a good starting point.
Letro will kill your your sex drive..


sorry.. I see this was answered

[Chadd77]

it is really simple - tren causes prolactin/progesteron related sides - test deca and EQ do not they cause estro sides as a rule - nolva is not very effective on progesterone/ prolactin sides - for that you need letro, dostinex/cabaser or bromo

So letro can be used to keep the progesterone sides (using tren) away? I always thought you had to use dostinex.

[Lmg2701]

I've had a few people at doses as high as 100mgs ed for almost two weeks (nolva) before the gyno subsided.
But usually 60 to 80mgs ed is a good starting point.

I always find it's odd how over the years our doses for things always get higher and higher and higher. I can understand why a higher dose may be needed in this case because of the proviron and thus more test roaming around, but in the past once you noticed gyno induced sides you would jump to 40 mg and then after it subsides go back to 20 mg. This has always worked for me as well.


Just commenting here guys so don't taken anything I've said out of context, just haven't seen 60mg-100mg of nolva/ed suggested before.

[Deacon]

I always find it's odd how over the years our doses for things always get higher and higher and higher. I can understand why a higher dose may be needed in this case because of the proviron and thus more test roaming around, but in the past once you noticed gyno induced sides you would jump to 40 mg and then after it subsides go back to 20 mg. This has always worked for me as well.


Just commenting here guys so don't taken anything I've said out of context, just haven't seen 60mg-100mg of nolva/ed suggested before.

I understand what you are saying and you are very correct - but it has always been felt that you really need to jump on a gyno flair up quickly with a high dose - thats why many opt for 60-80 mgs of nolva right off the bat - I guess in the case of gyno overkill is desirable over not enough treatment

[Deacon]

So letro can be used to keep the progesterone sides (using tren) away? I always thought you had to use dostinex.

so did I until I read some advanced studies on letro recently published - the person who wrote the article stated that letro would control both estro as well as prolactin/progesterone sides - he noted it is the only anti -e to do so

as Bass said above the real problem with letro for most is that it kills their sex drive

I like using dostinex myself as it both amps the sex drive and controls any sides I may have

[Bouncer]

So letro can be used to keep the progesterone sides (using tren) away? I always thought you had to use dostinex.

progesterone induced gyno can only come about in the presence of some estrogen. it is thought that by taking away the estrogen (ie Letro) that progesterone cannot cause gyno.

[ROCKETW19]

So letro can be used to keep the progesterone sides (using tren) away? I always thought you had to use dostinex.

this has been said many times, but i tried it and it didnt work for me. the only thing that worked was dostinex(sp?) of coarse it might work for you just fine.

[ROCKETW19]

Did you mean estrogen? Masteron and proviron pretty much are DHT correct?

oh i cant wait for this anwser............oopps never mind i see its april fools day.

[Stonecold54]

this has been said many times, but i tried it and it didnt work for me. the only thing that worked was dostinex(sp?) of coarse it might work for you just fine.

same for me. I tried the whole "take the estrogen out of the equation" thing but the only thing that worked was taking dostinex.

[Bouncer]

same for me. I tried the whole "take the estrogen out of the equation" thing but the only thing that worked was taking dostinex.

sounds like it is one of those things that looks good on paper but doesn't work out in real life. what were you running?

[beefcake]

I've always been a little skeptical on the take out the estrogen and the progesterone will not be an issue. Letro keeps the test from converting to estrogen, but at how effective of a rate? 100%? Is there some converting that is happening? Then you also have to think about the estrogen that is already in your body floating around from before you started the letro. I would like to see more about the proviron and nolva creating progesterone. I've never heard of it and it makes me wonder since both are serms. Just make sure if you do the letro, to drop the nolva and not run both at the same time.

[Bouncer]

I've always been a little skeptical on the take out the estrogen and the progesterone will not be an issue. Letro keeps the test from converting to estrogen, but at how effective of a rate? 100%? Is there some converting that is happening? Then you also have to think about the estrogen that is already in your body floating around from before you started the letro. I would like to see more about the proviron and nolva creating progesterone. I've never heard of it and it makes me wonder since both are serms. Just make sure if you do the letro, to drop the nolva and not run both at the same time.

Proviron is not a SERM, it is an AI.

[Deacon]

I've always been a little skeptical on the take out the estrogen and the progesterone will not be an issue. Letro keeps the test from converting to estrogen, but at how effective of a rate? 100%? Is there some converting that is happening? Then you also have to think about the estrogen that is already in your body floating around from before you started the letro. I would like to see more about the proviron and nolva creating progesterone. I've never heard of it and it makes me wonder since both are serms. Just make sure if you do the letro, to drop the nolva and not run both at the same time.

did someone state that provi and nolva creates progesterone? I don't see how that is possible

and I have always understood that estro and progesterone were totally seperate issues controlled by different parts of the body - I have never heard that estro must be present for progesterone issues to occur

[Deacon]

Proviron is not a SERM, it is an AI.

correct