Build me a cycle

[Bouncer]

I remember this topic he and others were sayin kill all the estrogen and you cant get progestrone gyno! well i call bullshit cuzz i did and it wasnt nice havin to wait for the l-dex and nolva to start only to find it didnt work on me.

were you just using the tren as the only progestin? cause spidey was saying adex or letro wouldnt work for deca because of the way it dosent aromatize and uses a different pathway. but he stated that adex ect should work for tren.

[Bouncer]

Is that because its dht derivative, if so then why not just use proviron or masteron, they will also bind to SHBG but won't cause you any joint ailments like winny can.

well because nothing I have read states anything about proviron or masteron's effect on stopping progestin type gyno like winny.

[Mr I]

I think there was another post bro but I can't find it, cagergoline is supposed to stop it and def stick to 200mg per week or every five days to begin with that way you reduce your chances of getting P gyno. You said you had probs with joints hence deca so leave winny out bro. One of the most profound effects I've felt from Tren is strength increase, that last thing you want is sub 6 rep sets with heavy weights on winny! just looking out for ya bro

[Bouncer]

I think there was another post bro but I can't find it, cagergoline is supposed to stop it and def stick to 200mg per week or every five days to begin with that way you reduce your chances of getting P gyno. You said you had probs with joints hence deca so leave winny out bro. One of the most profound effects I've felt from Tren is strength increase, that last thing you want is sub 6 rep sets with heavy weights on winny! just looking out for ya bro

i have read some things i really dont like about caber. fucks with brain dopamine levels, been proven to fuck with your heart ect.. the FDA just pulled its sister product of the market this year because it was so bad.

honestly i think you guys have talked me out of even trying tren. lol

i have a hard enough time dealing with the mental sides from test. i get pretty damn aggressive on 500mgs of test a week. from what you guys are saying, tren is much worse. add to that the potential for gyno in which i dont know where the fuck its coming from via estrogen or progestin.. maybe i just better stick to creatine! :P

[Mr I]

LOL, valid points

yeah I have to stay away from too many androgens, they become a head fuck and I become reactive where normally everyone says I'm soo laid back. Test is one thing but the thought of big doses of tren literally do frighten me.

Tren has its place and guys like SC have probably become used to it but theres alot of guys using that don't see it in themselves, often don't have the brains to see it.

large doses of highly androgenic compounds are perferctly fine if all you have to do is get up, eat, train and sleep IMO. If your life is much more complicated than that its will interfere and I can't have that.

Plus if I take strong compounds I blow up out of sight and I don't want that look its blatently obvious too everyone around me if I even run 500mg test per week.

The tren at 200mg per week for you is feasable from what I know, with no large risk of Prog gyno so long as you don't use any other 19 Nortestosterone derivatives like deca with it IMO, you would like it, but understand even that will shut you down hard.

[Bouncer]

Can someone suggest a compound that will put on mass like tren or test and at the same time have 0 side effects? i will be waiting for an answer thank you very much. lol

[ROCKETW19]

were you just using the tren as the only progestin? cause spidey was saying adex or letro wouldnt work for deca because of the way it dosent aromatize and uses a different pathway. but he stated that adex ect should work for tren.

yep just tren. i have used both E and A same effect once i get to 350mgs. on a good note 300mgs of tren worked great with 600mgs test.

[ROCKETW19]

Can someone suggest a compound that will put on mass like tren or test and at the same time have 0 side effects? i will be waiting for an answer thank you very much. lol

I think tren is fine just start out low and expermint you will see what works for you and how much it takes. theres one good thing about being old (like me) ive already tried all this shit at all kinds of different doses.

[ROCKETW19]

Can someone suggest a compound that will put on mass like tren or test and at the same time have 0 side effects? i will be waiting for an answer thank you very much. lol

LOL you and the rest of the world!

[Bouncer]

maybe winny only cycles. :D

definitely wont get any gyno from that cycle!

[Stonecold54]

Can someone suggest a compound that will put on mass like tren or test and at the same time have 0 side effects? i will be waiting for an answer thank you very much. lol

primo/masteron/Eq/anavar :-)

[Bouncer]

primo/masteron/Eq/anavar :-)

that will out on mass like tren and test huh? lol.

EQ = anxiety. :P

[Stonecold54]

that will out on mass like tren and test huh? lol.

EQ = anxiety. :P

Tren doesn't put any weight on me. in fact I have to eat more just to sustain bodyweight. it sucks the fat off me so fast. that is what I use it for. all my others are for lean mass.

[ROCKETW19]

maybe winny only cycles. :D

definitely wont get any gyno from that cycle!

haha laught at me I tryed that also! didnt notice a thing. 300mgs a week.

[Bouncer]

haha laught at me I tryed that also! didnt notice a thing. 300mgs a week.

didn't notice a thing? you sure it was real? you should definitely have noticed some muscle hardness, strength gain, and some sore joints.