Steroid sting at health club

[NewbieChris]

And if you take these things away, the United States doesnt exist. I dont think anyone realizes how much revenue these two things bring to this country, how many jobs rely on these things. Does that make them safe and harmless? Hell no. How much money do steroids bring the US Govt? How many jobs rely on the production and distribution of steroids in the US? Very little, if any. Now Im not saying that tobacco and alcohol are ok and steroids are the devils candy, nor am I bashing steroids, but Im looking at it from an economical stand-point, just as the government does.

Thats what makes it hypocritical. A government is here to protect citizens, but that is not what is happening. Besides that, you aren't looking at it from a complete economic stand point. You are taking the argument and, I think, assuming I think cigarettes, etc. should be illegal. I don't. If someone so chooses to use those drugs that fine by me, as long as it doesn't harm me. However, I was making the opposite argument the legalization of steroids. The legalization of steroids would create jobs, something that would really help our shitty economy, and then the govt. could tax steroids. Extra revenue. It is not economics that are closing the door to steroids, its irrational retards who think if you take steroids you're going to want to kill people and beat your wife or something ludicrous like that.

[Bouncer]

not to mention, the legalization of steroids would mean we would all be under a doctors care fro blood work etc.. we would know the gear we are running is dosed properly and clean. not only would it create jobs but it would mean steroid users that are more healthy and safe.

[YellowJacket]

Thats what makes it hypocritical. A government is here to protect citizens, but that is not what is happening. Besides that, you aren't looking at it from a complete economic stand point. You are taking the argument and, I think, assuming I think cigarettes, etc. should be illegal. I don't. If someone so chooses to use those drugs that fine by me, as long as it doesn't harm me. However, I was making the opposite argument the legalization of steroids. The legalization of steroids would create jobs, something that would really help our shitty economy, and then the govt. could tax steroids. Extra revenue. It is not economics that are closing the door to steroids, its irrational retards who think if you take steroids you're going to want to kill people and beat your wife or something ludicrous like that.

Doesnt make any sense. Its an irrational argument, and isnt really much of an argument. Why not legalize cocaine then? And Oxycontin? Some people use those recreationally to make themselves feel better. Legalizing steroids does nothing for the economy. Step off the steroid boards for a minute and realize what small percentage of US Citizens use steroids. How many US citizens smoke? Drink alcohol? Legalizing steroids does absolutely nothing for the economy. Doesnt create jobs. Steroids are illegal for a reason and I dont think I need to explain those.

[YellowJacket]

not to mention, the legalization of steroids would mean we would all be under a doctors care fro blood work etc.. we would know the gear we are running is dosed properly and clean. not only would it create jobs but it would mean steroid users that are more healthy and safe.

And be ready for rising health care costs as well... as if we need that in the US.

[NewbieChris]

Doesnt make any sense. Its an irrational argument, and isnt really much of an argument. Why not legalize cocaine then? And Oxycontin? Some people use those recreationally to make themselves feel better. Legalizing steroids does nothing for the economy. Step off the steroid boards for a minute and realize what small percentage of US Citizens use steroids. How many US citizens smoke? Drink alcohol? Legalizing steroids does absolutely nothing for the economy. Doesnt create jobs. Steroids are illegal for a reason and I dont think I need to explain those.

I think we need to agree to disagree. The idea that introducing a new product into GDP will not increase GDP is...well kinda crazy. How profound an impact it would have on a 14 trillion dollar economy is questionable. You're argument is the one that is irrational, IMO. Everything has its ill effects. The question is how do we quantify those effects? IE can we measure the ill effects of cigarettes vs. steroids? Alcohol vs. steroids? In a controlled experiment, etc. It won't be done, thats for sure. However, to argue there is some slippery slope and that if we legalize one thing, we must legalize cocaine, etc. is a bit much for me. I know it will never happen and even if steroids were legal it doesn't mean that I would take them. However, its very hypocritical of the government to set these types of standards for what is okay and not okay IMO. They don't do it to keep us safe, they do it for special interest groups and money. That is all I was trying to get at with my original post.

[YellowJacket]

However, to argue there is some slippery slope and that if we legalize one thing, we must legalize cocaine, etc. is a bit much for me.

Why? People who use cocaine recreationally probably think you wanting to legalize steroids is comical and ridiculous. Im sure cocaine enthusiasts could argue how cocaine, if used in moderation, can improve ones self image.

I know it will never happen and even if steroids were legal it doesn't mean that I would take them. However, its very hypocritical of the government to set these types of standards for what is okay and not okay IMO. They don't do it to keep us safe, they do it for special interest groups and money. That is all I was trying to get at with my original post.

While I agree 100%, theres always Mexico or Canada :)

[Bouncer]

And be ready for rising health care costs as well... as if we need that in the US.

you think it would have that big an impact on health care to legalize steroids? i know it will never happen, but just supposing it did?

[NewbieChris]

Why? People who use cocaine recreationally probably think you wanting to legalize steroids is comical and ridiculous. Im sure cocaine enthusiasts could argue how cocaine, if used in moderation, can improve ones self image.

I don't see that as a reality. The idea that cocaine can 'better' you doesn't work. Steroids have a somewhat 'practical' use. If you could give your child some way of facilitating greater usage of their brain through proper treatment and dosage would you not do it? Honestly, I don't buy your argument. Its the slippery slope theory, bullshit rather.

While I agree 100%, theres always Mexico or Canada :)

Speaking of the country to which I reside.

[Bouncer]

YJ, not sure I understand. In one argument you are talking about how such a small percentage of the US use AAS and how it would do nothing for the economy. In another argument you seem to contradict yourself by saying that it would have a big enough impact to raise health care...

[Nekrawulf]

Im sure cocaine enthusiasts could argue how cocaine, if used in moderation, can improve ones self image.

cocaine will get you laid bro...


its the shit

[YellowJacket]

I don't see that as a reality. The idea that cocaine can 'better' you doesn't work. Steroids have a somewhat 'practical' use. If you could give your child some way of facilitating greater usage of their brain through proper treatment and dosage would you not do it? Honestly, I don't buy your argument. Its the slippery slope theory, bullshit rather.

You apparently are a relative novice to the use of steroids and everything that comes with it. I realize arguing against steroids on a bodybuilding (read: steroid) board is like walking on egg shells, but from a unbiased standpoint, steroids are, and will always be illegal and controlled. You legalize steroids to make a certain population happy, then pot smokers will want pot legalized to make them happy. Not even to mention what steroids do to the competitive nature of youth activities and sports. There is no valid argument as to why steroids even deserve to be mentioned as legal. "Because everyone should have big muscles" is the theory I suppose.

Besides, you dont have to buy my argument, its been bought and put to use already. Welcome to America.

[YellowJacket]

YJ, not sure I understand. In one argument you are talking about how such a small percentage of the US use AAS and how it would do nothing for the economy. In another argument you seem to contradict yourself by saying that it would have a big enough impact to raise health care...

Im saying that if you give physicians more responsibilities (to babysit steroid users) then inevitably health care costs will shoot up. I suppose a patient to patient basis could workout but Id be pretty pissed if I had a the flu and had to wait to see my doctor because he had to assess an abscess on some dudes ass.

Besides, its a moot point, physicians would never buy into adding patients to supervise under steroid use. And those physicians that wouldnt mind, you probably wouldnt want to see anyway.

[Shibby]

Decriminalizing it would allow for better testing on short term and long term effects to be done.

[NewbieChris]

then pot smokers will want pot legalized to make them happy. Not even to mention what steroids do to the competitive nature of youth activities and sports. There is no valid argument as to why steroids even deserve to be mentioned as legal.

Its called freedom of choice buddy. Stop playing the slippery slope crap, just because your fiscal argument failed doesn't mean you have to go to even more drastic arguments. Arguing pot should be legal/illegal is the same idea. Stop being so close minded. Its really frustrating. I know its not a reality (that steroids would be legalized) and you seem to continually miss that point. Its the why! The point of my post was to tell you how hypocritical it is. Where we draw the line isn't based on rational testing, etc. Its not based on how safe something is or how much of a gateway drug something is. Its based on what is good for politicians, not the country. THAT IS ALL! Your argument that is flawed and not the reason steroids are illegal. Steroids are illegal because of history and political influence. :breakit::breakit::breakit:

[Bouncer]

Id be pretty pissed if I had a the flu and had to wait to see my doctor because he had to assess an abscess on some dudes ass.

so how about when you have the flu and you have to wait because some women is ahead of you and she is there because her blood pressure is too high and she is boarder line diabetic because the last 20 years she has done nothing but sit on her fat ass eating bon bons. you act as if most people that go see a doc are there for perfectly legitimate reasons and those bad old steroid users would mess everything up. fact is, half the people that go see a doc are waisting everyones time because they will continue to eat like shit, not exercise etc..