Tren E/Test E cycle

[ROCKETW19]

its simple bro you are using tren A start out at the 250 you said and if progestrone sides pop up lower the dose to 200mgs.

but still dont know why you are adding when last cycle went so well

[Bluesteel]

reason i wanted to add it in is cos i want to lean out n drop bout 5% bf is that even possible to achieve with test if so then ill just take the test at 500mgs on its own would be much easier as im not too keen on stacking any thoughts on dosages of test higher lower or keep the same if running it on its own?

[Bouncer]

not the same thing bro nolva and Gh is suposed to make the IGF not work as effective.

Nolva and tren is suposed to flair up progestrone gyno easy

once again you read my words wrong.

i understand its not the same thing. that's pretty obvious.

making a point that much like the bro science of nolv and gh being bad together.. i have my doubts about nolv making proges gyno any worse.

[Bouncer]

reason i wanted to add it in is cos i want to lean out n drop bout 5% bf is that even possible to achieve with test if so then ill just take the test at 500mgs on its own would be much easier as im not too keen on stacking any thoughts on dosages of test higher lower or keep the same if running it on its own?

bro the key to fat loss is diet. it is by FAR the single most important factor. i dont understand why people continue to underestimate what diet can do.

people talk all the time about drugs and training and disregard diet as if its secondary.

[BamBam179]

im a little worried to try hgh cos i havent read up too much about it only that it can increase the size of ur organs etc but im guessing that would be from abusing it? well i would be willing to give it a go after a little more research did u use oral or injectable?

If ever considering gh, I would just go with ghrp-6. Cheaper and I've read that it can yeild similar results as synthetic gh especially if adding cjc. Can't say by personal experience as I'm waiting till I get settled into my new home. As for gyno with tren, progesterone can be countered with bromocriptine or letro (although a lot of people don't like it, it helps with both estrogen and progesterone). Test prop has less bloat. And as bouncer said diet is key for fat loss. But as u increase lean mass ur Bf will read lower anyway.

[Bouncer]

If ever considering gh, I would just go with ghrp-6. Cheaper and I've read that it can yeild similar results as synthetic gh especially if adding cjc.

not exactly. ghrp has its place but its dont compare to long term gh use (6 months min) not in same league

[BamBam179]

Like I said I can't vouch for it by experience but I've read ghrp should be ran for 4mon min as you won't grow a tolerance. So with long use of either it seems as it could be comparable

[ROCKETW19]

once again you read my words wrong.

i understand its not the same thing. that's pretty obvious.

making a point that much like the bro science of nolv and gh being bad together.. i have my doubts about nolv making proges gyno any worse.

lol figures, but at least I understand what you are saying now,

not sure if the nolva and progestrone is true either as i never did it or tried it. I dont get estro sides so there was never a need. but I do read all over the place about it so it might be true and might not? could even be one of thoes things where each is different

they also say kill estrogen and you can not get progestrone sides, that for me is false as shit but everyone says it????????

[Bouncer]

they also say kill estrogen and you can not get progestrone sides, that for me is false as shit but everyone says it????????

exactly and i agree.

thats what i mean about bro science. sometimes its legit most times its bs.

[Bluesteel]

all i got to go on is bro science lol so imma take your advice lads but still a little confused bout the pct so if im goin with tren and test i can run letro for pct without there being any prog issues? sorry for all the questions guys its jus that i really want this cycle to go very well an possibly take my physique to the next lvl so need to be well prepared:) cheers for all the posts so far very informative u guys really no ur shit!! thanks again

[BamBam179]

Letro is for gyno issues both estrogenic and progesterone over pct. The only increase in testosterone from letro I know of is from it inhibiting it from aromatising to estrogen. But if ur body isn't making it, it won't rise. Best pct I can suggest is hcg 500iu/week or broken into twice a week through out the duration of ur cycle. Since ur using long esters, I would probably continue use as far as 4 weeks after ur last aas pin. Then start nolva.

[Bouncer]

Letro is for gyno issues both estrogenic and progesterone over pct. The only increase in testosterone from letro I know of is from it inhibiting it from aromatising to estrogen. But if ur body isn't making it, it won't rise. Best pct I can suggest is hcg 500iu/week or broken into twice a week through out the duration of ur cycle. Since ur using long esters, I would probably continue use as far as 4 weeks after ur last aas pin. Then start nolva.

i did see a study somewhere saying letro raises test levels too. but the estrogen killing ability makes it to strong to ever consider using it for any other reason then to destroy pre existing gyno.

[ROCKETW19]

i did see a study somewhere saying letro raises test levels too. but the estrogen killing ability makes it to strong to ever consider using it for any other reason then to destroy pre existing gyno.

ya I agree it was way to easy for me to kill off all my estrogen that I dont even know if I could dance that fine line of some and no estrogen.

Rado did the same thing killed all his estro and had to suffer why he recovered. yes he is a idiot but it is to easy to shut it off.

[BamBam179]

i did see a study somewhere saying letro raises test levels too. but the estrogen killing ability makes it to strong to ever consider using it for any other reason then to destroy pre existing gyno.

My thouhts exactly. Ive never had gyno issues but I always keep onhand if problem ever arises

[Bluesteel]

ive had gyno put from puberty had it removed a while back its heaps better now but left my lower chest a little loose been tryin to tighten it for a while but its stubborn starting to think that my bf% is havin somethin to do with my high estrogen lvls why is it bad to use letrolets say in my instance?