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  • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
    You guys don't get it. Test is not making you look puffy directly. Your simply not running your AI high enough. Your test is still aromatizing and causing bloat.

    For a point proving extreme argument. Run 2.5mgs letro per day with 2 grams if test. You will not hold any water whatsoever.


    From my experience testosterone with an AI doesn't bloat my directly, your right. But my face still holds water. That's what I don't want. The bloated face. On anything over 400mg of Test, I eat a bowl of white rice or oatmeal and the muscles on my face get full and I get somewhat tight chipmunk cheeks. Higher test makes me more sensitive to Carbohydrates, so when I eat some carbs my muscles tend to fill up but the same happens to my face.




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    • And the look you want andro will come from test and masteron along with a strict diet. Plus your fat ass needs some cardio.

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      • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
        And the look you want andro will come from test and masteron along with a strict diet. Plus your fat ass needs some cardio.


        That's what the fuck I'm doing lol goddamn u guys.


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        • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
          And the look you want andro will come from test and masteron along with a strict diet. Plus your fat ass needs some cardio.
          Stfu bouncer.. that's what we were talking about...

          Test and proviron and a lil AI..

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          • I'm gonna throw in some mast e into this cycle. I just bought some Tbol from a source but I think I got robbed lol. 200$ gone.


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            • Originally posted by Androman View Post
              From my experience testosterone with an AI doesn't bloat my directly, your right. But my face still holds water. That's what I don't want. The bloated face. On anything over 400mg of Test, I eat a bowl of white rice or oatmeal and the muscles on my face get full and I get somewhat tight chipmunk cheeks. Higher test makes me more sensitive to Carbohydrates, so when I eat some carbs my muscles tend to fill up but the same happens to my face.




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              I will repeat myself until you get it. YOU WERE NOT RUNNING YOUR AI HIGH ENOUGH.

              If your getting a bloated face from test it's because there is still aromitization going on.

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              • He shouldn't have to run higher AI dose

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                • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
                  I will repeat myself until you get it. YOU WERE NOT RUNNING YOUR AI HIGH ENOUGH.

                  If your getting a bloated face from test it's because there is still aromitization going on.


                  No I didn't say it was directly from the test. I said that the test makes me more sensitive to Carbohydrates and I meant glycogen retention so the higher I run testosterone even with a dialed in ai, when I eat a carb meal My muscles get full, but my face gets the chipmunk cheeks. I can feel it when I smile.

                  When I don't take the AI, I get the double chin. And my jawline kinda fades. I don't want either or.



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                  • Originally posted by Androman View Post
                    No I didn't say it was directly from the test. I said that the test makes me more sensitive to Carbohydrates and I meant glycogen retention so the higher I run testosterone even with a dialed in ai, when I eat a carb meal My muscles get full, but my face gets the chipmunk cheeks. I can feel it when I smile.

                    When I don't take the AI, I get the double chin. And my jawline kinda fades. I don't want either or.



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                    nope. sorry. double your ai dose and the whole carbohydrate theory will go out the window.

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                    • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
                      nope. sorry. double your ai dose and the whole carbohydrate theory will go out the window.


                      If I do do that, here's what'll happen; I won't hold water in my face...I won't hold water in my muscles. They'll get flat. My bones will ache. And I'll feel like shit. It's about finding the balance between ur AI and test dosage. On 600mg .5mg adex EOD works fine. I do 0.5mg ED and I get unwanted sides. You can not tell me what happens to my body.


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                      • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
                        nope. sorry. double your ai dose and the whole carbohydrate theory will go out the window.


                        It's also not a theory. Get on keto, drop your carbs and you will rid of all the water retention carbs make you hold. Carbohydrates do make you hold water, testosterone (for me) at high dosages makes this more pronounced. How? I don't know but it just does, for me, in my experience. I wake up with a flat face, I eat my bowl of oatmeal and i get the chubby cheeks.


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                        • I'm just telling you, lower AAS dose isn't going to do much for your overall look unless your willing to diet harder and start doing cardio. Trust me bro, I know what it takes to be shredded to the bone.

                          Get your body fat lower and your face will change drastically. The way your body handles nutrients and a low bodyfat is much different from when your fat.

                          Your issue is bodyfat imo.

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                          • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
                            I'm just telling you, lower AAS dose isn't going to do much for your overall look unless your willing to diet harder and start doing cardio. Trust me bro, I know what it takes to be shredded to the bone.


                            What dose do you think would be efficient enough?


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                            • Whatever dose you want. Get your bodyfat down and your look will change drastically. Being bloated while shredded is a great look. That's not the look you have. This is a body fat issue bro. Stick to the diet and keep doing your thing.

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                              • Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
                                Whatever dose you want. Get your bodyfat down and your look will change drastically. Being bloated while shredded is a great look. That's not the look you have. This is a body fat issue bro. Stick to the diet and keep doing your thing.


                                That's the goal partner.


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