Wife Won't "Let" Me Juice

[Lmg2701]

Oh and if she does keep it up, I'd try to find something she likes to do that the media thinks is harmful or in some way negative and start telling her that she shouldn't do that.....

[BIKER_GIXXER]

Originally posted by Lmg2701
I wanted to stay out of this but what the heck.....

He said in his first comment that he can't even get her to look on these boards and read anything about them. Basically she's being closed minded to the whole thing. She's going to sit there and believe what the media has to say rather than what her husband would like to show her. Personally I'd tell her to get off her power trip and educate herself a little bit more. If she doesn't agree to at least educate herself about the topic so that she can make a better and more logical decision as if whether or not she will "let" her husband take AS, then I would take it and not give a second thought as to what her opinion may be. He has tried to listen to her side but for her to shut him off and not listen to his side is bull$hit. Thank you and have a nice day :D

Couldn't have said it better myself!! :)

[Stonecold54]

maybe it is the type of woman you pick. I have gone through 4 women in my career with the sauce and each one initially didn't like the idea. but once they saw me and I explained a bit about it they agreed to give it a chance. most of them thought I would be some raving lunatic on them but once they saw that I was normal if not better on stuff then they backed off and it became a normal act in our lives. maybe you should be persistent about using and use the arguement that she should grant you a trial run. I can't believe you guys don't see her side of the coin. even if she was fully convinced that the juice was safe, what about the legal aspect? If a woman does not want to be an accomplice to a user of a schedule 3 drug I think she has that choice. no matter how safe the stuff we do is, there is still serious consequences out there that can fuck a whole familys life up.

[spidey]

My wife is EXACTLY the same way. She won't learn anything about them either. I think she thinks if she agrees to educate herself on them, it's like condoning my usage.

It came right down to it and I agreed to not use them. My marrage was more important to me than a few pounds of muscle. After a while, my wife saw how unhappy that decision made me and she relented. I can use them as long as I don't put it in her face so to speak. She still refuses to learn anything about them though.

All you can do is try and discuss it with her. In the end, you may have a decision to make. Your wife is more important so I would swear off if that's what it takes but in the end, it's your call.

[muscledoc]

Interesting point though. If you were adamant about it..IS HER MARRIAGE MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN LOSING YOU OVER IT?. Why is it always the guy who is insensitive and selfish if he stands his ground and the woman who has to be understood. I guess in the last decade the male is garbage, the cause of the world's problems and teh one who has to change.

I ran this by a few female friends of mine (yes I do have tehm) and both without hesitating said that she is insecure and afrai that if you look too good other women will come on to you .

[muscledoc]

Well that simple initial post certainly opened up a can of worms. Obviously touching on some deeper feelings and issues.

Discussion is healthy.

BTW. The title of the book is "What Could HE Be Thinking? How a Mans's Mind Really Works"It is by Michael Gurian who has also writen a book called "THe Wonder OF Boys" Finally someone on our sie after decades of abuse.

[muscledoc]

sana:

She's treating him like a child because by not being willing to learn and be reasonable with she is saying "I don't care what your reasons are, you're not doing it because I said so and I'm the mommy that's why".

[BIKER_GIXXER]

Originally posted by muscledoc
Interesting point though. If you were adamant about it..IS HER MARRIAGE MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN LOSING YOU OVER IT?. Why is it always the guy who is insensitive and selfish if he stands his ground and the woman who has to be understood. I guess in the last decade the male is garbage, the cause of the world's problems and teh one who has to change.

I ran this by a few female friends of mine (yes I do have tehm) and both without hesitating said that she is insecure and afrai that if you look too good other women will come on to you .

Preach on brotha!! :D

[BIKER_GIXXER]

Originally posted by muscledoc
sana:

She's treating him like a child because by not being willing to learn and be reasond with she is saying "I don't care what you're reasons are, you're not doing it because I'm the mommy that's why".

I 2nd that!!

[BLS]

It's like everyone else here on this thread except sana that her mind has been polluted with the media garbage. That's how they got to be illegal. Anything that is abused is bad. Even over the counter shit. It's all about educating yourself. If your wife won't even take the time to read a little bit about steroids I think there's more to it than she's admitting.

[Stonecold54]

did you guys miss my post. even if the fact that she accpeted that steroids are relativley safe. DON"T you think she has the right to refuse to have a husband using a schedule three drug. no matter what arguement you guys use she still has ever right to keep illegal material out of her house, regarless of how safe it is. A automatic rifle in the house kept in a closet with no bullets in it is relativley safe but illegal nonetheless to posses. does that mean it should stay in the house? NO

[sana]

Originally posted by muscledoc
Interesting point though. If you were adamant about it..IS HER MARRIAGE MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN LOSING YOU OVER IT?. Why is it always the guy who is insensitive and selfish if he stands his ground and the woman who has to be understood. I guess in the last decade the male is garbage, the cause of the world's problems and teh one who has to change.

I ran this by a few female friends of mine (yes I do have tehm) and both without hesitating said that she is insecure and afrai that if you look too good other women will come on to you .

it is not about an issue of the man being insensitive b/c he stands his ground, it's about the fact that indeed steroids ARE illegal and there ARE health ramifications with them when abused and misused. and there are other ways for him to achieve an ultimate goal without steroids (albeit much slower).

and my issue now at debate with you is specifically - do you seriously think that being able to do steroids is more important than a marriage? there are so many people out there who use even when they haven't even reached a natural plateau through normal training and diet. there are so many 17 year old kids who juice because they want to "get swole" quick and 40 year old men who juice becaue they think it will "cut them up". please even within this bb community, there are still so many misconceptions about what steroids can and can't do. the main issue for me is that by the way you're wording it, it's either steroids or bust. he can achieve his desired goals of gaining more mass and or cutting by natural avenues - or even avenues that she "approves" of. 1-methyl-test IS a steroid and it IS legal. has he examined his eating plans to see whether he's eating enough to build more mass? has he looked at his training to see whether he's changed it enough recently to help break through a plateau?

if a woman does not allow her husband to do steroids simply beacuse she is insecure, that is her problem - and i will say point blank, your two female friend's issues. not all women are like this.

though he has commented that she is not willing to learn about steroids, how much pushing has he done to try to teach her. how exactly has he gone about trying to dispell the myths associated with AAS? there are so many other ways than just through this board.

and i doubt that she is saying i don't want you to do it because i'm your mommy. from your posts and extreme opinions of women, i think you've probably been stung in the past by controlling women. no doubt she may be acting childish by her action to be so quick to judge, but this by no means says that she is telling him "no you can't do it b/c i'm your mommy". there are also legal ramifications in addition to health explanations that he must be able to justify to her.

it sounds to me like you're projecting your past relationships onto this woman who simply is expressing fear for her husbands health and the legal liabilities associate with steroid use. just because she said "No" one time to his request to read the board does not mean she will continue to say "no" if he discusses the situation with her at lenght in an intelligent manner like an adult.

[spidey]

Originally posted by muscledoc
Interesting point though. If you were adamant about it..IS HER MARRIAGE MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN LOSING YOU OVER IT?. Why is it always the guy who is insensitive and selfish if he stands his ground and the woman who has to be understood. I guess in the last decade the male is garbage, the cause of the world's problems and teh one who has to change.

I ran this by a few female friends of mine (yes I do have tehm) and both without hesitating said that she is insecure and afrai that if you look too good other women will come on to you .

This isn't a question of insensitivity. It just so happens that the man wants to do something ILLEGAL and potentially devastating to his health (in her mind). She has good reason to be upset. It's not her that is making a potentially life changing decision for them both. She thinks the man she loves is about to risk his long term health not to mention put them both in legal peril. If someone you cared about wanted to try heroin would you be saying "go ahead; it's your body. Oh and BTW, go ahead and have your junk delivered right to our door"? Hell no; I would be putting up a huge fight on that. And no, I don't need to learn about heroin to know what it does to someone. I have seen junkies before. Does that make me insensitive?

As for the legal side, does any of us have the right to put our families at risk of arrest, financial ruin, and incarceration without their agreement or even knowledge? I really don't think so. I have news for you; if you are busted with steroids in your house, your WIFE could be (and frequently is) arrested and charged with possession. It's her house too you know. She is as much in possession of that vial of test as you are. If you have 3 or 4 vials or 1000 dbol, they could charge you both with intent to distribute; charge you hundreds of thousands of dollars in "taxes" based on the estimated street value and confiscate/sell your house to collect. Read some of the horror stories in Legal Muscle.

Do you have the right to put her at risk of this kind of shit storm without her knowledge? If you think you do then you are one selfish bastard.

As for your female friends, they don't know the couple in question and have absolutely no basis for their remarks. Are they even married? I get hit on pretty regularly and my wife thinks it's funny. She just isn't the jealous sort and she knows she can trust me so she has nothing to worry about. Why then did she put up such a fight with my using steroids? Do you really think it was because she was afraid I would start looking better to other women? I GET HIT ON ANYWAY. what would looking better change? She was worried about my health and the legal ramifications.

[muscledoc]

The comments are all well taken. However I think that schedule III drugs, illegality and all the rest are cop outs. You're right I dont know the couple or the people involved. But why do I get the feeling that if it were something else entirely the scenario would be the same.

Comments like drugs are for junkies do not belie an underlying concernfor her husbands health. It is an emotional issue and I think that his health is not the issue here. If it was, why not just say so. Now perhaps the whole thing was presented out of context, but to not "Let" him do something is bullshit.

We arenot talking about the man buying truckloads of gear, stalking young people in the gym and selling it to them so lets not get on our high horses about legality. We can argue ad nauseum overs legality and the FDA's reasons, puposes and morality. You are reading into this. Im certain she did not visualize her poor man in the hospital while the Fed takes their house and puts her and the innocent children out on the cold street. A little dramatic I'd say.

The media has indeed influenced how we think. Including men who buy into the whole feminizing of men.

[JUICE]

my girlwont let me use it again cause she dont want me to get hurt or die early in life. I wanna do another cycle so bad not that im addicted but i would like to add some more size on me and if its the way i like maybe this could be my last.