The Debate Last Night!

[bad14u]

Who watched it and what did you think?

[Stonecold54]

Re: The Debate Last Night!

Originally posted by bad14u
Who watched it and what did you think?

I didn't watch it but I bet I could tell you what each of them said. I think that says it all there. What they need is a moderator that has some sac that will MAKE them answer questions with specific answers or tell them to shutup. They are so fake it is pitiful.

[bad14u]

Re: Re: The Debate Last Night!

Originally posted by stonecold54
I didn't watch it but I bet I could tell you what each of them said. I think that says it all there. What they need is a moderator that has some sac that will MAKE them answer questions with specific answers or tell them to shutup. They are so fake it is pitiful.

:agree: Someone like Dennis Leary!:rofl: Wrong answer Sen. Kerry! Get the fuck off my stage and come back when you have a hint of intelligence! And why are you laughing George W., you have this country so far in the whole it can't see the light of day! So shut the fuck up!

[redneck99]

Re: Re: Re: The Debate Last Night!

Originally posted by bad14u
:agree: Someone like Dennis Leary!:rofl: Wrong answer Sen. Kerry! Get the fuck off my stage and come back when you have a hint of intelligence! And why are you laughing George W., you have this country so far in the whole it can't see the light of day! So shut the fuck up!

:rofl:

[redsquirrel]

The 1st 5 min. W. was pretty good. After that, he just went all downhill from there. How that man ever got elected I have no clue. He just has no idea on how to speak in public, which makes him look not credible. He got really rattled and perturbed and what Kerry was saying...It kind of said to me that he has a short fuse. I got so tired of hearing W say how much "hard work" he puts in, yet has no viable plan of action for the future, and pretty much that he's going to continue with a plan that isn't working...at least didn't mention it last night.

Kerry's position was voiced throughout, and you know what he stands for and the agenda he has in store. The defining moment for Kerry was last night when W said "The enemy attacked us" (In reference to Iraq)...totally shot himself in the foot. Kerry of course pointed out, "Iraq didn't attack us! Al Queda attacked us, but we didn't go and wage war in that country"...

I also found it interesting that John Edwards agreed to an interview, however Cheney declined.

I've already made up my mind, but the swing voters are what's going to determine the winner. I was listening to a radio station this morning, and the host is a swing voter. He said at this time he feels Kerry is winning 1-0.

[dreamgirl]

I watched it. I wondered if anyone was going to talk about this today. I could tell that the both of them totally HATE eachother. I truely believe in Bush. I think that Kerry is full of hot air. He thinks that he can take the troops out of Iraq in 6 months? You can't say that until you are there. You can hope that everything will be resolved and done over there in 6 months, but to promise that, it's crazy to me.

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by dreamgirl
I watched it. I wondered if anyone was going to talk about this today. I could tell that the both of them totally HATE eachother. I truely believe in Bush. I think that Kerry is full of hot air. He thinks that he can take the troops out of Iraq in 6 months? You can't say that until you are there. You can hope that everything will be resolved and done over there in 6 months, but to promise that, it's crazy to me.

I didn't believe Bush for a second. No plan of action, and he made no acknowledgement of taking this country to war under false pretenses. At least Kerry has a specific plan of action and how to do it. Bush offered no such thing.

Second of all, Kerry didn't say we'd be out of there completely in 6 months. Nor did he say the conflict would be resolved int hat time period, either. He said with his plan, he would be able to start bringing SOME troops home a little at a time. It's pretty sad when military personnel are under equipped, and going on 2 and 3 tours in this war because Bush did not prepare them properly.

Border protection is the biggest problem there right now. That's how all these crazy terrorists are flooding the country, and beheading innocent Americans. Bush received 2 CIA reports 2months before going to war that said if he did invade the country this very thing with the terrorists flooding the borders would happen. And guess what- they were right.

[Stonecold54]

I know this will probably get the thread locked but does anyone actually believe that anyone that is in office or running for office says anything they really mean? Can you really say you believe one over the other? here is a great opening line in an article I just read...
"America is a great democracy in which we get to choose, every four years, which sociopath will lead the nation."

[blm]

I'm not a big Bush supporter but I thought he appeared more real than Kerry. Kerry sounded like a damn speach programed robot. He has so many plans but has no valid answers on how to make them happen. In the beginnig of this campaign I though Kerry might be a light of hope, but at this point I have very little faith in him. He just keeps saying whatever fits at the time.

[Turbo3000]

I am supporting Bush, but last night he bothered me. I know that speaking isn't his strong point. His smart ass smirk just got on my nerves last night. I think Kerry looked more professional and spoke better. Bush told me what he has done, not what he is going to do. Kerry stated that the troops over there know that the situation over there isn't right and I totally believe that. If I was over there I wouldn't be happy with Bush.

[Primal Instinct]

Kerry clearly defeated Bush in last night's debate. Kerry did exaggerate the 200 billion figure when in fact, the actual number is closer to 145 billion. On the flipside, Bush exaggerated when he claimed (which has been publically refuted by members of his own administration) that 100,000 Iraqi security personnel have been trained and are in action in Iraq. The actual number of these people is closer to 45,000 but only about 8-10,000 have had any training and less than 4,000 have even completed the 8-week course training.


Bush's major screwup was when speaking of Iraq and why the US went in there, he said that "They attacked us", which was clearly wrong and Kerry jumped on it immediately, stating that Iraq or Saddam Hussein had NOT attacked the US nor had played any part in the 9/11 attack planning, as evidenced by the 9/11 Commission. Bush responded with a flustered, "I know that!" LOL. He then proceeded to rattle off the same tired old line about Saddam being a threat. He was soundly beaten and could not recover from this point on and was often caught speechless when it was his turn to respond. I'd give a million dollars to see his campaign advisors' faces when he said and did some of the things he did, lol. That's gotta be the most high pressure job in the world to try and repair his gaffs. There was probably a lot of faces in hands and head bonking going on in the Bush Camp. LOL.


I'm glad that there were camera cutaway shots of both candidates while the other was speaking. It clearly showed the essence of the character's attitude while the other man was on attack. The command of the room was in Kerry's sole possession after the first 5 minutes, as Bush was constantly on the defensive (and rightly so) throughout the debate.


The next debate is a town square meeting type setting where Bush usually does better. I expect that debate to go a little bit better for Bush only because it's more informal yet he will have little substance to speak about. The current US economy and job market speak volumes of the incompetancy of this administration and there are very few redeeming features for Bush to claim. I believe that Kerry has a better command of the facts and figures in this area and will probably dissect Bush alive using his (Bush's) string of tax cuts for the uber-wealthy as the scapel. The failure of the administration to force corporations to pay their fair share of tax. Currently, approximately 60% of US corporations do NOT PAY ANY TAX to the government. Bush won't win on substance but he speaks like a good-ole boy and some rural voters can only see that and not the big picture. They only see the familiarity of speech as their commonality.


Many people won't do their own research on the issues and just rely on TV or news or soundbites to inform them. They just don't understand the damage that voter apathy can cause to their children's future, as well as their own. It's enough for them to "trust" the office of the president to inform and guide them. The problem is that trust can be misplaced because the men who hold office are in fact, just men. Men are susceptible to corruption and absolute power corrupts absolutely.


If Bush wins the next debate he'll probably bail out of the last debate (which goes back to a moderated forum type stting like last night) to save from doing any more damage to himself so close to the election. A tie is better than a loss although they would never concede a debate loss. Actually, it will be the decision of Karl Rove and his re-election committee.

[Pumpdogg]

Bump SC

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[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
Kerry clearly defeated Bush in last night's debate.

Bush's major screwup was when speaking of Iraq and why the US went in there, he said that "They attacked us", which was clearly wrong and Kerry jumped on it immediately, stating that Iraq or Saddam Hussein had NOT attacked the US nor had played any part in the 9/11 attack planning, as evidenced by the 9/11 Commission. Bush responded with a flustered, "I know that!" LOL.

I'm glad that there were camera cutaway shots of both candidates while the other was speaking. It clearly showed the essence of the character's attitude while the other man was on attack. The command of the room was in Kerry's sole possession after the first 5 minutes, as Bush was constantly on the defensive (and rightly so) throughout the debate.

Bush's screw up was grave. That was my favorite part of the debate. He was so flustered, he didn't think it through, and truth surfaced. His reaction to his mess up was even worse. When we went to war, he misled the American people by telling us Saddam DID have something to do with 9/11,when in fact it's been proven there was not.

The most annoying thing Bush did last night was profess "how much hard work" he does and "it's hard work being in his position" and "it's not an easy decision to commit troops". Great. If he works so hard, then where's the plan of action to get us out of this mess in a way that's is beneficial to the Iraqi's?

T3000 summed it up by saying all Bush did was tell everyone what he has DONE, not what he plans to DO.


....and I'll say it again:

PRIMAL INSTINCT FOR PRESIDENT

[Severedties]

Originally posted by stonecold54
I know this will probably get the thread locked but does anyone actually believe that anyone that is in office or running for office says anything they really mean? Can you really say you believe one over the other? here is a great opening line in an article I just read...
"America is a great democracy in which we get to choose, every four years, which sociopath will lead the nation."

That is a well taken point, and I agree whole heartedly. You can tell that the entire debate was simply rhetoric. Neither of them mean what they say, they say what will get them elected, and attack eachothers flaws. But neither of them will benefit the nation.

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by Titan
That is a well taken point, and I agree whole heartedly. You can tell that the entire debate was simply rhetoric. Neither of them mean what they say, they say what will get them elected, and attack eachothers flaws. But neither of them will benefit the nation.

I can agree with this to a certain extent. The President is someone who really doesn't have any say in the legislature. It's Senators and State Reps that control Congress who controls the laws today.

However, I want a President who will handle a crisis in a calculated, prepared, and HONEST manner...something W. IMHO, has not succeeded at doing. I don't think N. Korea and Iran acquiring more nuclear weapons is really a benefit.