Hey Art of War

[FitnessBrat]

How is that a bad attitude ? Statistically speaking my chances are not good , but that doesn't mean I will ever quit and throw the towel in - I want to kick those statistics ass, and I am doing just that at the moment. I don't understand your qualm with that statement FB :|

"chances aren't good" just doesn't sound very positive at all :noo:

[the art of war]

Fair enough - I just have said many times , "I got this, this time it's different ... " eventually I learned to keep my mouth shut and just let my actions speak for themselves - I see things how I see em, don't take it the wrong way it certainly doesn't get me down - i look at it like a challenge. And it certainly is, the biggest challenge i'll ever undertake , very fight for my life. I refuse to lose.

[FitnessBrat]

Have you seen Dream House? :D


(lol Frank)

[the art of war]

I have not , sorry any reference goes right over my head >:|

[FitnessBrat]

I have not , sorry any reference goes right over my head >:|

I only said "lol" because he had just asked me. I saw it was horror or something related, and immediately thought to ask you!

[the art of war]

haha ! Right on pretty lady :D ! :thumbup:

[GrowthMan]

If you are going to take any recreational drug, remember you can always take more, you can't always take back.

Valuable advice right there.

[GrowthMan]

no judging fb and others on here who don't like me.

ftt55; i've detoxed off of norcos/vicodin many times. each time the detox gets worse and each time it takes less of a relapse to detox. that being said i've taken as much as your friend and detoxed. its a bitch but with some will power, a little xanax, a little weed and maybe alcohol he will get through it. the key is to taper down. if he's taking 20/day (prob 5 tabs 4x/day) then he should try 15/day for a week, then 10/day for a week, then 5 all the way down until he is taking a half a tab a day then nothing and then when he comes off completely is where the xandybars/weed comes in. then it is up to him to stay off once the shit is out of your system there is no physical addiction it is just pyschological.

[the art of war]

^ wouldn't recommend a short acting benzo like xanax - iibrium and valium would be his best bet - alcohol rapes my stomach in regards to opiate detox his best bett would be an alpha beta blocker like clonodine or a reg beta blocker propaananol. maybe some zofran for nausea.

[GrowthMan]

^ wouldn't recommend a short acting benzo like xanax - iibrium and valium would be his best bet - alcohol rapes my stomach in regards to opiate detox his best bett would be an alpha beta blocker like clonodine or a reg beta blocker propaananol. maybe some zofran for nausea.

im old school man i dont know anything about these (I dont even know what you call them detoxers?) weed cures everything imo; hangovers, detox, coming down off uppers, etc.

Besides dont you use those detox drugs for coming off stronger opiates like hinnar, nubain, morphine, etc.?

i've also detoxed without anything and i do not recommend that at the very least i suggest tapering down to nothing...just my .02 but i get it aow you are more well versed in this arena.

[the art of war]

im old school man i dont know anything about these (I dont even know what you call them detoxers?) weed cures everything imo; hangovers, detox, coming down off uppers, etc.

Besides dont you use those detox drugs for coming off stronger opiates like hinnar, nubain, morphine, etc.?

i've also detoxed without anything and i do not recommend that at the very least i suggest tapering down to nothing...just my .02 but i get it aow you are more well versed in this arena.

They are all just prescription medication. They have multiple uses - librium and clonodine is the most common cocktail for alcoholics in detox - keeping their pulse and blood pressure in check while keeping them from shaking like a fish out of water. Often they add Neurontin (gabapentin) or even phenobarbital - all of these meds minus pheno are also used to detox from opiates if you do not wish to go the route of methadone or bupe (subs) during your kick.

Weed is very good for people who do not get paranoid during detox from opiates because it actually binds to the same mu2 receptor I believe, maybe Turbo can correct me if I am wrong here - but - I am almost 100% that you would physically withdrawal from marijuana if it did not linger in your fat cells for so long, slowly detoxing yourself until it is out and you pee clean.

But that is why cancer patients take marijuana for pain, especially stomach pain and cramps - it works wonders.

Detoxing without anything is no fun time, I've done it at least 20-30 times do to circumstances, I think it gets easier to handle each time as I can always compare it to when I kicked 220mg of methadone after 2 1/2 years daily cold turkey - that was hell on earth.

Detox drugs do not have to be used for stronger drugs than vicodin, the bottom line is when you are hooked on any opiod you will get dope sick - sure some are a lot worse than other - but detox meds can be dosed accordingly to what you use and how much you use , and you should have a relatively pain free detox. Then you get to look forward to the PAWS - lasted nearly 2 months for me in rehab before i slept more than 3 hours in a night.... that shit drove me nuts.

[Bouncer]

weed cures everything imo

false, hormona does. :weights:

[FitnessBrat]

no judging fb and others on here who don't like me.

ftt55; i've detoxed off of norcos/vicodin many times. each time the detox gets worse and each time it takes less of a relapse to detox. that being said i've taken as much as your friend and detoxed. its a bitch but with some will power, a little xanax, a little weed and maybe alcohol he will get through it. the key is to taper down. if he's taking 20/day (prob 5 tabs 4x/day) then he should try 15/day for a week, then 10/day for a week, then 5 all the way down until he is taking a half a tab a day then nothing and then when he comes off completely is where the xandybars/weed comes in. then it is up to him to stay off once the shit is out of your system there is no physical addiction it is just pyschological.

I thought we'd moved passed this :disagree:

[the art of war]

GrowthMan - weening off a short acting opiod such hydro / oxy - it's basically pointless.

If you absolutely cannot get the guy to check in for 5 days to detox (at least he'd get some info on NA in the area through HNI (hospitals and institution) visits, among other advice from counselors and groups). Then stick with one of the following three methods please.

ideal - clonodine + librium + bentyl + immodium ad (whichever brand has the most active ingredient of loperamide - it's a half a molecule away from morphine and actually will stop you shitting piss). Dose like this :
every 6 hours take .1 mg clonodine , 50mg librium, 40mg Bentyl (two blue tablets) , 2 tabs of immodium AD.

Do that every six hours you can add in aleve / motrin / tylenol for the aches - kick is a piece of cake.

Subutex / Suboxone - 8 / 8 / 6 / 6 / 2 / 2 - break the doses how ever you want , this is standard protocol for MA no matter how big your habit is (hence why I refuse a bupe detox , it's an utter joke for someone like me).

Methadone - 15mg am / 15 mg pm day 1 , day 2 15 mg am / 10mg pm , day 3 same as day two , day 4 10mg am / 5 mg pm - day 5 out the door on 10mg

w the methadone and suboxone , some people still take a bunch of comfort meds - I honestly am so used to detoxing it's whatever, I'm sure now tha I've been away I would feel wicked sick. But if that info isn't enough for you, your friend and anyone else then you are all fucked lol - this shit isn't rock science.

[GrowthMan]

I thought we'd moved passed this :disagree:

Well I did not mean to offend you FB I didn't mean anything by this. Your opening post said, "Thinking of taking up a new habit?" so I just wanted to put it out there that I'm not perfect but here is a way that I have gotten through it even though it may not be ideal and involves taking other things.

So I hope your post above means that you are not judging and I can be open about things I am not proud about without getting beat up? Again I apologize if I offened you I thought we were friends now dude so offending you wasn't my intent.