more innocent children killed by guns in US

[FitnessBrat]

Really? You don't consider a person that goes into a school and shoots up little kids a fucking whacko?

Of course I do. I don't think a child will have easy access to a gun on the black market. If not JUST based on the price.

Have you looked at the ages of almost all school shooters?

[Mr I]

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

We here it all the time. Yes, it takes a person to fire a gun to kill someone. I'm not really into debating gun laws and whether or not they should be banned, because I do have mixed feelings on the topic. However, I can't help but think that most all of the school related shootings the US has had, would have been prevented if guns were banned. I understand that guns will still be around on a black market. That will also mean they are more expensive. The average joe will not be able to afford them, and will not have an interest in the risk, either. The gangsters, the paranoid, or the wackos will still buy the guns. Those are not the people killing our children. Almost all school shootings have been young boys/men, and they are getting guns from their parents. If we banned guns, those "normal" parents would not have guns, and those kids would not have access to take them and do tragic things.

My heart hurts for those families, and for the children that have witnessed a nightmare that will be everlasting in their minds. I can't imagine life with the loss of your child. If I thought for one second that even one of those children could have been saved by such a law, then by all means..

Wow, some sanity at last :thumup:

[Mr I]

Really? You don't consider a person that goes into a school and shoots up little kids a fucking whacko?

B stop picking slithers of peoples statements, ignoring the wider context they were delivered with and twisting to discredit, its getting old, just like you:disagree:

[Bouncer]

Of course I do. I don't think a child will have easy access to a gun on the black market. If not JUST based on the price.

Have you looked at the ages of almost all school shooters?

well this particular shooter was 20 and the Virgina Tech shooter was 23. those are the top 2 worst school shootings in our history. i would not consider either to be a "child".

also consider the movie theater shooting and the man that walked into that Amish school and killed those kids. both shooters grownups also.

its illegal to make a bomb yet timothy mcvey blew a building half to hell.

my point is, making something "illegal" does nothing.

i will agree however that in the cases where they are kids or teens and they got the weapons from their parents homes like columbine, it probably would have prevented it at least for awhile. though i think a person that is willing to do that will only grow up to harm others in some way or form.

[Mr I]

my point is, making something "illegal" does nothing.

Utter utter shit:panic:

[Bouncer]

Utter utter shit:panic:

quiet down.

[blm]

Well regardless of personal stance on the matter, I think this might be the catalyst that prompts some kind of change in gun laws nationally.

[Mr I]

Well regardless of personal stance on the matter, I think this might be the catalyst that prompts some kind of change in gun laws nationally.

similar occurences did in our country;

1) Hungerford - saw the banning off automatics
2)Dunblaine - saw the banning of handguns

Both the above firearms were owned privately in high numbers previously, once the ban came in many had 'erm burglaries' where the guns went missing. However over time there haven't been as many problems, will it ever happen again, sadly probably, are there still guns around that shouldn't be? yes, but the country is safer.

[blm]

Latest ramblings are that this kids mother was "preparing for the economic collapse". Nothing like taking a kid with a clinically diagnosed mental health disorder teaching him all about guns and telling him the sky is falling. To me this is the root of the problem. The mother.

[auri]

Well regardless of personal stance on the matter, I think this might be the catalyst that prompts some kind of change in gun laws nationally.

Yes I agree with this.

[Turbo3000]

The only way to stop school shootings is to ban schools, simple as that.

Mr. I, sometimes I really wonder about you, and please.watch.the.god.damn.period.

I have avoided all of the news regarding this senseless tragedy, I can't do anything to bring those innocent children back, and I can't aid in the investigation. No need to learn all of the horrible details.

Also the entire "make laws to save children" battle cry has been going on for years, it is a great way to gain the support of the people. Drug laws save children, tobacco laws save children, alcohol laws save children, etc...
It is an amazing phrase to use when rights are being removed.

Schools are an easy target, guns are banned, usually no security, access is easy to obtain, humans are clumped together.

Seems like mental health is the issue, not guns, but mental health issues don't win elections.

[Scrumhalf]

One thing that nobody is answering is why does this happen so often here in America. Is there something about our society that creates more loonies? Or is it that every society has the same number of loonies per capita, but it is easier for loonies here to something really stupid and destructive? We seem to be unable or unwilling to have an honest debate about this.

[Mr I]

One thing that nobody is answering is why does this happen so often here in America. Is there something about our society that creates more loonies? Or is it that every society has the same number of loonies per capita, but it is easier for loonies here to something really stupid and destructive? We seem to be unable or unwilling to have an honest debate about this.

yes, prescription meds and their prolific dispensement, especially the readiness to diagnose phsyciatric problems and prescribe drugs for them which are by definition mind altering

[Scrumhalf]

Maybe that's it. Maybe it is that nuts can get lethal weapons more easily here. I don't know.... But what I do know is that there is no honest debate about it. There's a lot of grieving and hand wringing on one side and a lot of polemics about the second amendment on the other side, but nobody is interested in getting to the bottom of the root cause.

[Mr I]

you have a new healthcare bill right?, your.slowly dealing with the immigrant problem that threatens it, you will soon be dealing with firearms, embrace it, I believe its for the better, there is not alot wrong with USA, strike these out and your numero uno once again.