The idiot drivers thread

[Scrumhalf]

I don't know for sure but I have a feeling they will say something along the lines of "be more careful who you let drive your car" or "have them pay the ticket then.." Lol

Let's be honest, Scrum - none of us are letting people borrow our cars! :laugh:

No, no, I just asked that question because of the following reason. Here in Oregon (at least 3 or 4 years ago), if your car got photographed by one of these cameras, a letter would come in the mail with the photo showing your license plate and you driving and you had to go to whatever office in city hall to pay the ticket.

But the catch is this - the ticket would be addressed to whoever the car is registered to. If the car was registered to you but you were not at the wheel, and you can prove that by showing your license and in person that the photo was not of you, then they threw out the ticket.

Well, that is the loophole. What happened was that I was the primary driver of the car that my wife owned in her name, and the van that my wife generally drove was registered in my name. So, about 2 or 3 tickets got thrown out because when the took a photo of me driving the ticket would arrive in her name and vice versa.

So, the trick is to register your A4 in Sana's name and her car in your name and you'll be golden! :D

Also, get that noPhoto plate holder! :)

[Bouncer]

I am almost positive that would not work in Chicago. Your responsible for your car and who drives it. Unless the car is stolen it is your responsibility for that ticket. You act as if you can just go in and say "oh well my brother bob took my car without me knowing." I'm pretty sure they will respond with "tell bob to give you $100." lol

[FitnessBrat]

I am almost positive that would not work in Chicago. Your responsible for your car and who drives it. Unless the car is stolen it is your responsibility for that ticket. You act as if you can just go in and say "oh well my brother bob took my car without me knowing." I'm pretty sure they will respond with "tell bob to give you $100." lol

I agree. Just like every episode of Cops where the driver let his "cousin" borrow his car and he doesn't know where that crack rock came from. Too bad, next time you won't loan your car out!

[Scrumhalf]

You act as if you can just go in and say "oh well my brother bob took my car without me knowing." I'm pretty sure they will respond with "tell bob to give you $100." lol

No, that's not what I am saying. It doesn't matter if it was knowingly or unknowingly. If the ticket is addressed to you and you were not driving, then it gets thrown out. Period. It's like you have an alibi, and it's not your job to tell them who the real driver was. In fact, the first time it happened, like an idiot I even volunteered that it was my wife at the wheel, and the tore up the ticket and told me to get lost lol...

[Turbo3000]

You do have the option to go to court over the ticket. Trouble is they have clear evidence with multiple pics and times etc..

Your not being accused so to speak, your just being caught. Lol

Not exactly. Speed and red light cameras directly go against the 6th amendment. Numerous states and counties have been taken to court over said devices and lost. A lot of counties in GA had to remove those revenue generators.

You can go and question many things about the camera. Proof of who is driving? Proof of recent calibration and tests? We can go on and on.

Fact is that these devices simply exist to make more money for the idiot politicians to waste. They will continue to be in place as long as the public is complacent and pays the fine.

[Bouncer]

No, that's not what I am saying. It doesn't matter if it was knowingly or unknowingly. If the ticket is addressed to you and you were not driving, then it gets thrown out. Period. It's like you have an alibi, and it's not your job to tell them who the real driver was. In fact, the first time it happened, like an idiot I even volunteered that it was my wife at the wheel, and the tore up the ticket and told me to get lost lol...

No, I'm pretty sure it doesn't get thrown out. I know exactly what your saying. If that was the case anyone and everyone will simply say "wasn't me". That's stupid bro.

[Turbo3000]

I witnessed some great candidates for this thread on my morning commute. I need to get a camera.

[Bouncer]

Not exactly. Speed and red light cameras directly go against the 6th amendment. Numerous states and counties have been taken to court over said devices and lost. A lot of counties in GA had to remove those revenue generators.

You can go and question many things about the camera. Proof of who is driving? Proof of recent calibration and tests? We can go on and on.

Fact is that these devices simply exist to make more money for the idiot politicians to waste. They will continue to be in place as long as the public is complacent and pays the fine.

Agree 100% that they exist to make money. I know that. But I also know that I am in fact speeding well over the limit and in fact breaking the law. The camera catches me doing that with clear evidence. I don't really have a defense. IF in fact I felt wrongly accused than I am with you and I would fight it.

[Scrumhalf]

No, I'm pretty sure it doesn't get thrown out. I know exactly what your saying. If that was the case anyone and everyone will simply say "wasn't me". That's stupid bro.

No, anybody can't say that because they have the photo of the driver. At least the cameras here in Oregon take a shot of the driver as well in addition to the plates. You can identify the driver easily. It was very clear from the photo that it was a female driving, not me.

[Bouncer]

No photo of driver here.

[Scrumhalf]

No photo of driver here.

That's ripe for getting shot down in the courts because you are basically found guilty even though they have no idea if you were the perpetrator or not, with the burden of proving yourself innocent entirely on your shoulders.

[Bouncer]

That's ripe for getting shot down in the courts because you are basically found guilty even though they have no idea if you were the perpetrator or not, with the burden of proving yourself innocent entirely on your shoulders.

i just don't agree with your logic here.

Is it your car Sir?.... Yes

Was it stolen Sir?.... No

Case closed because you or someone you know was speeding in a car under your name. Learn your lesson and don't speed or don't allow someone who will speed in your car.

It's about accountability to me.

Yes, they are using it to profit, no it's not as fair play as getting caught by a cop. BUT... It's still the law and I'm willing to pay when I get caught breaking it..

[Scrumhalf]

It's the constitutionality that's the question. You may be guilty as sin but the Bill of Rights and the courts still have to follow due process. You are presumed innocent and it is up to the prosecution to prove your guilt. And the 5th amendment protects you from having to incriminate yourself.

The problem with this ticket is that you are presumed guilty without due process and the burden is on you to prove your innocence. That's why I think these kinds of cameras will ultimately be found in violation of the constitution by the courts. Maybe not right away, as the current Scotus seems to be willing to bend things on favor of law enforcement and away from individual rights, bit it will happen sooner or later.

[Bouncer]

Well I hope your right because fuck those cameras.

[blm]

They have been found in violation all over down here and have been since shut down. Of course it's an ongoing battle.