Friday the 13th Paris Mass Shootings

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Do they care if we die?

Well, if we want to call ourselves civilized and them as savages, we should very much care if we kill innocent civilians, and we should very much hold them accountable if they fail to do the same. Descending to their level is not the answer.

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Do they care if we die?

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I think this comes down to this question: "Do we as a nation care if hundreds or thousands of civilians die as we bomb ISIS?"

I can't speak for what Putin or Hollande think, but I know that as an American, it is not only morally wrong to do so, but ultimately, it is profoundly counterproductive.

The next generation of ISIS recruits are born from the orphans standing in the rubble of their destroyed homes, digging out the corpses of their parents.

[lipripper]

Ok points made, I don't agree with all, but there are two sides to every story. This administration we have in office right now sympathizes with them. Its why we were pulled back and its why it was allowed to grow..hes all for it.

Russia will pound the shit out of them, now france will as well..funny how the news don't cover Russia's civilian causalities' from the bombings every night isn't it? Because they don't care..only if is the Bullies from the U.S.A. is it covered... because its how they keep our hands tied. POLITICS brother..its all about what the (new world order leaders want)..and right now they are getting it. Its way bigger then us my man.

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Rip, you obviously know a lot more about boots-on-the-ground military stuff than I do. My point is that clowns like Trump think that we can bomb the area back into the stone age. Everything I have read is that our "precision" bombing may be better than what we did at Dresden in WWII, but it far from the surgical precision that some people talk about. There is plenty of collateral damage and at the end of the day, we will have lost the battle for the hearts of the people there.

We have a mess on our hands, no question about it. What gets me is how we are continuously blaming the area, blaming ISIS, blaming everyone else. We need to look in the mirror. There was NO ISIS until we invaded Iraq. We created this mess!! Due to your incessant meddling in the Middle East for the last 75 years, we have created a disaster. There are no easy answers. Do we need to do something? Yes, certainly. But we cannot just blunder in there like we did the last time, wielding sledgehammers. There has to be a much more nuanced approach, deadly and decisive to ISIS, but we need to win the hearts and minds of the people at the same time.

Which is why I hate chairborne rangers like Trump who haven't served a day in their lives, who have ZERO foreign policy experience, bellowing on about bombing ISIS into oblivion, etc.

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"blast the hell out of" ISIL targets... does this idiot have any clue? Him and the Fox "experts" - do they realize that we have no way to "blast the hell" out of them without killing a bunch of civilians? That's playing right into ISIS's hands.. all they have to say is "Look, the Western planes came and killed your daughter, your wife, your son, your grandmother. We are fighting them." And boom, we have just created more enemies, more terrorism fodder. Unbelievable.

I agree with some of this...truth is though..the ONLY thing they understand is ruthless violent action. They need to be completely destroyed. unfortunately, You cant do this and tie the hands of your military...when you do..this is what you get, we are living it right now. The dogs need to be unleashed...let them eat until they are full..andthere is no more..then leave and bring the dogs back home.

[Mr I]

There will be some in France who wish their leader at the time (Sarkozy) hadn't gone after Gaddaffi right now.

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france 24 - Live: Suspected organiser of Paris attacks killed in Saint Denis police raid - France 24

The suspected organiser of the Paris attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, was killed Wednesday in a major police raid in Saint Denis, according to a Paris official. Meanwhile, France’s lower house has approved an extension of the state of emergency.

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Back at ya champ. Thus the reason your earlier reference was ridiculous talking to me of all people.

[Mr I]

^a bunch of fantastic contributions from me on this thread alone dic wad. Way to go in splendidly nut kicking yourself lol

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Contribute ^

[Mr I]

Leave it to putin

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"blast the hell out of" ISIL targets... does this idiot have any clue? Him and the Fox "experts" - do they realize that we have no way to "blast the hell" out of them without killing a bunch of civilians? That's playing right into ISIS's hands.. all they have to say is "Look, the Western planes came and killed your daughter, your wife, your son, your grandmother. We are fighting them." And boom, we have just created more enemies, more terrorism fodder. Unbelievable.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...mosques-216008

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The guy is a complete doofus. This is a really BAD idea. Apart from the fact that there has been not a single terrorist act that has been detected/prevented by the mass surveillance conducted by the NSA under Bush and Obama (read this), does this idiot realize that a backdoor could also be used by the bad guys to evesdrop on the good guys? Clueless... how do these guys get elected and stay in office?