Fuck you california..

[ROCKETS REVENGE]

Chadddd, these guys are incredibly brave to do this. To bring attention to something they believe in. This is what makes America great. That we can even do this at all. We fight wars for the freedom to do this. We can always get better. People have been standing up for things like this for centuries from slavery to even giving women the right to vote. Can you believe there was a time, not too long ago where women couldn't even vote? What if nobody ever stood up against that? Where would we be?

It's wasn't all that long ago when you could own slaves. Someone made a stand against that. It was very recent when blacks and whites couldn't go to the same schools or even use the same restrooms and had to sit in the back of the bus. Someone stood up against that. And now recently in 2017, we have police who treat blacks as 2nd class citizens and carry fake guns to plant on people in the case where they shoot them.

What Keapernick and these guys are doing is just as brave and admirable as what Martin Luther King did or Rosa Parks. In Kaepernick's case he lost his job over it and got death threats. There is a reason he was voted as GQ's citizen of the year. This photo is very powerful, to me it looks like they are nervous and aren't even comfortable doing this. They know of the backlash. This is true bravery.

no this is nothing like the people you quoted. Kap didn't loose his job over tis he was on his way out before this happened and prob did It because he knew he was on the way out. him not getting picked up as a 3rd string cuz of this I might agree but that would depend on his pay he's not worth his pay anymore.

his reason to kneel could be good or bad it dont matter cuz the way he sends it pissed so many people off they will never hear it. I bet half the people you ask won't even know why he's doing it? they dont care. AMERICA is in a very weird time and attacking the flag or military is way way outta bounds right now in this country.

[Turbo3000]

Did I hit a nerve??

Standing for the flag argument? lol

Nah. No nerves hit.

You tried to jump on Rado a about parenting and you make snarky comments from time to time. Nothing worse than a parent that thinks they know how everyone else should parent.

And you skipped everything else I wrote.

[rado]

Chadddd, these guys are incredibly brave to do this. To bring attention to something they believe in. This is what makes America great. That we can even do this at all. We fight wars for the freedom to do this. We can always get better. People have been standing up for things like this for centuries from slavery to even giving women the right to vote. Can you believe there was a time, not too long ago where women couldn't even vote? What if nobody ever stood up against that? Where would we be?

It's wasn't all that long ago when you could own slaves. Someone made a stand against that. It was very recent when blacks and whites couldn't go to the same schools or even use the same restrooms and had to sit in the back of the bus. Someone stood up against that. And now recently in 2017, we have police who treat blacks as 2nd class citizens and carry fake guns to plant on people in the case where they shoot them.

What Keapernick and these guys are doing is just as brave and admirable as what Martin Luther King did or Rosa Parks. In Kaepernick's case he lost his job over it and got death threats. There is a reason he was voted as GQ's citizen of the year. This photo is very powerful, to me it looks like they are nervous and aren't even comfortable doing this. They know of the backlash. This is true bravery.

Good post and I agree.

It's a choice of whether or not I stand, and I do stand.

BUT if I ever opted out, it is ok to do so

[AvidFisherman]

Yeah I get it and was out of line for making that statement but really was curious if he had a bad experience in the military to not want to honor his country.

Sorry avid! I can admit when I'm an asshole. Doesn't happen often! lol

I loved being in the military but I thought I loved a girl more and got out. I often regret getting out. Though I still stay in touch with a bunch of guys I was in with.

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[Bouncer]

That's right bitch. :D

[Chadd77]

chadd i think me and you agree on this issue more then we disagree. but i have to point something out here. avid was in the military. he served the country. he deserves a little more respect then to say "maybe you were molested in the service".. that's not cool. avid is not some fag sitting in his basement talking shit about the country. he is a veteran who was willing to give his life for this country. if anyone has the right not to stand if he doesn't want to it's him!

Yeah I get it and was out of line for making that statement but really was curious if he had a bad experience in the military to not want to honor his country.

Sorry avid! I can admit when I'm an asshole. Doesn't happen often! lol

[Keiser]

Chadddd, these guys are incredibly brave to do this. To bring attention to something they believe in. This is what makes America great. That we can even do this at all. We fight wars for the freedom to do this. We can always get better. People have been standing up for things like this for centuries from slavery to even giving women the right to vote. Can you believe there was a time, not too long ago where women couldn't even vote? What if nobody ever stood up against that? Where would we be?

It's wasn't all that long ago when you could own slaves. Someone made a stand against that. It was very recent when blacks and whites couldn't go to the same schools or even use the same restrooms and had to sit in the back of the bus. Someone stood up against that. And now recently in 2017, we have police who treat blacks as 2nd class citizens and carry fake guns to plant on people in the case where they shoot them.

What Keapernick and these guys are doing is just as brave and admirable as what Martin Luther King did or Rosa Parks. In Kaepernick's case he lost his job over it and got death threats. There is a reason he was voted as GQ's citizen of the year. This photo is very powerful, to me it looks like they are nervous and aren't even comfortable doing this. They know of the backlash. This is true bravery.

[Keiser]

So, a group of black football players trying to raise awareness for an issue isn’t enough reason? Getting treated like a second class citizen isn’t enough of a reason? Getting harrassed by police isn’t a reason? Getting pulled over for being black isn’t a reason?

Why stand if you don’t feel like you are treated as well as other members of the populace? People complained when they protested in the streets, so many used their national stage to kneel. What would you prefer? How would you handle the same situation?

America is free. Free to stand or kneel.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

[Keiser]

I hear what your saying but at the same time can you picture George Washington kneeling? The very act of kneeling to me is weak. Stand fucken proud or walk away but fuck kneeling.

It depends on what his intent was. The act of kneeling alone means nothing unless you know for what reason the person is kneeling.

[AvidFisherman]

and LOL @ quoting religion as if it has a strong history of human rights, compassion, and freedom. holy fuck bro wake up. religion is the single biggest offender of oppression in history.

I know. I just like quoting the bible and talking about the tenants of Christianity because mire often than not being a "Good Christian" is the opposite of current conservative doctrine. I laugh at Christian Conservatives that are in favor of Trump.

I grew up in the church but I am agnostic now.

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[Bouncer]

chadd i think me and you agree on this issue more then we disagree. but i have to point something out here. avid was in the military. he served the country. he deserves a little more respect then to say "maybe you were molested in the service".. that's not cool. avid is not some fag sitting in his basement talking shit about the country. he is a veteran who was willing to give his life for this country. if anyone has the right not to stand if he doesn't want to it's him!

[Bouncer]

Listen to Vince McMahon talk about the XFL where the players are required to stand during the national anthem. Trump and Fox News pundents talking negativley about the NFL players kneeling for the national anthem.

Children in schools being forced to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America. "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on earth below. You shall not be down to them or worship them" Exodus 20: 4-5.

Nationalistic expressions make us serve two (2) masters. "No one can serve two masters" Matthew 6:24. Nationalism is defined as loyalty and devotion to a nation. It is placing one nation above all others. Nationalism believes God supports the nation, i.e. the British saying, "God and Country!"

"We must obey God rather than human beings," Acts 5:29.

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XFL is a private business, they aren't a democracy. you sign a contract agreeing to those rules. if you don't want to be part of it you don't have to.

and LOL @ quoting religion as if it has a strong history of human rights, compassion, and freedom. holy fuck bro wake up. religion is the single biggest offender of oppression in history.

[Chadd77]

A lot of parenting holier than thou post from you lately. Stop bringing kids into conversations.

Did I hit a nerve??

Standing for the flag argument? lol

[Turbo3000]

A lot has to do with how you were raised. Obliviously your parents never taught you what respect means. And I have no doubt you'll pass that lack of respect on to your kids (if you have them). Can you see the domino effect here? To say you don't want to stand and honor those who lost their life to give you the freedom we have in this amazing country is beyond inconsiderate.

Hopefully you're at least consistent in your thinking... And when a loved one passes you do not show up at their funeral to show respect and honor that person.

A lot of parenting holier than thou post from you lately. Stop bringing kids into conversations.

[Turbo3000]

fuck that my kids goto a school where classical leadership education is taught.
first thing every day the whole school stands out side facing the flag do the anthem and site their core values. they will stay in this school until high school then I will let them decide what ever they want but until then they will stand and respect our flag unless they come to me with a reason why they shouldn't. they actually like it and get excited when they get to lead the school so I doubt anything will change for them.

yes I know its your right to not stand but I dont care your a fucking selfish self centered lil fag if you dont prob seeking attention and dont even know why you are kneeling anyways.
I know why the football fags are kneeling and they have every right to kneel to bring attention to their cause but picking to kneel at this time in our country history is as smart as a box of rocks. no one gives a shit about their cause just the fact they are disrespecting our country thats all anyone sees. the cause went out the window when they decided to kneel.

you know what people see when these retards kneel. that man that got shot toady in FL at the school shielding all the kids. he is a fucking AMERICAN hero and our flag represents that type of action. all people see is the football guys disrespecting that guy and other Americans that acted like him. right or wrong dont matter thats all they see.

The cause went out the window when white America attacked, defected, and brought the dumb ass POTUS into the cause