Fuck you california..

[Turbo3000]

That's the thing... you shouldn't have to be told to stand. Like Rocket said above, give me a good reason you shouldn't? Maybe you were molested in the service and for that reason you choose not to stand. I would be ok with that. So what's your reason?

So, a group of black football players trying to raise awareness for an issue isn’t enough reason? Getting treated like a second class citizen isn’t enough of a reason? Getting harrassed by police isn’t a reason? Getting pulled over for being black isn’t a reason?

Why stand if you don’t feel like you are treated as well as other members of the populace? People complained when they protested in the streets, so many used their national stage to kneel. What would you prefer? How would you handle the same situation?

America is free. Free to stand or kneel.

[AvidFisherman]

That's the thing... you shouldn't have to be told to stand. Like Rocket said above, give me a good reason you shouldn't? Maybe you were molested in the service and for that reason you choose not to stand. I would be ok with that. So what's your reason?

Read the post I posted earlier in the conversation.

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[Turbo3000]

Standing for the flag argument?

Jesus Christ.

[Chadd77]

That's the thing... you shouldn't have to be told to stand. Like Rocket said above, give me a good reason you shouldn't? Maybe you were molested in the service and for that reason you choose not to stand. I would be ok with that. So what's your reason?

[AvidFisherman]

A lot has to do with how you were raised. Obliviously your parents never taught you what respect means. And I have no doubt you'll pass that lack of respect on to your kids (if you have them). Can you see the domino effect here? To say you don't want to stand and honor those who lost their life to give you the freedom we have in this amazing country is beyond inconsiderate.

Hopefully you're at least consistent in your thinking... And when a loved one passes you do not show up at their funeral to show respect and honor that person.

I see you have not paid attention to many of my prior posts. Most of my family, including my brother and myself, have bled for this country and that is a part of why I believe the way I do.

I love this country because we are based on the freedom to believe in what we want to believe. I feel it is the most un-American thing a person can do is to tell another person what rituals they have to participate in and what they have to believe in. Your words may be patriotic to you but it is un-patriotic in my eyes.

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[Chadd77]

How am I free if I am forced/pressured into standing for the Pledge of Allegiance etc? If I sit for it or question it I am berated by insults? How is that being free?

You are free! Free to believe what I believe!

People forget the principles the U.S. was founded on. Why we revolted from Great Britain.

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A lot has to do with how you were raised. Obliviously your parents never taught you what respect means. And I have no doubt you'll pass that lack of respect on to your kids (if you have them). Can you see the domino effect here? To say you don't want to stand and honor those who lost their life to give you the freedom we have in this amazing country is beyond inconsiderate.

Hopefully you're at least consistent in your thinking... And when a loved one passes you do not show up at their funeral to show respect and honor that person.

[ROCKETS REVENGE]

fuck that my kids goto a school where classical leadership education is taught.
first thing every day the whole school stands out side facing the flag do the anthem and site their core values. they will stay in this school until high school then I will let them decide what ever they want but until then they will stand and respect our flag unless they come to me with a reason why they shouldn't. they actually like it and get excited when they get to lead the school so I doubt anything will change for them.

yes I know its your right to not stand but I dont care your a fucking selfish self centered lil fag if you dont prob seeking attention and dont even know why you are kneeling anyways.
I know why the football fags are kneeling and they have every right to kneel to bring attention to their cause but picking to kneel at this time in our country history is as smart as a box of rocks. no one gives a shit about their cause just the fact they are disrespecting our country thats all anyone sees. the cause went out the window when they decided to kneel.

you know what people see when these retards kneel. that man that got shot toady in FL at the school shielding all the kids. he is a fucking AMERICAN hero and our flag represents that type of action. all people see is the football guys disrespecting that guy and other Americans that acted like him. right or wrong dont matter thats all they see.

[AvidFisherman]

I suppose all of our ancestors are from Africa, but no. I like living in The Heartland.

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[Bouncer]

And that is what makes the U.S. great. It's a conglomeration of differing perspectives.

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Go back to Africa.

[AvidFisherman]

I understand that but George Washington was proud of what he fought for. People today couldn't give a shit what he fought for. Add to that most people don't have a clue what he fought for in the first place.

I'm not saying you are wrong in your argument by the way. You do have the right not to stand. But I have the right to think it's a bit disrespectful.

And that is what makes the U.S. great. It's a conglomeration of differing perspectives.

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[Bouncer]

He would not have stood for King George III. That was the Nationalistic thing to do when we were under the rule of Great Britian.

We were founded on the principles of popular sovereignty, separation of powers, rule of law, checks an balances, and federalism. Me not wanting to stand if I do not want to for the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance infringes on none of these principles.

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I understand that but George Washington was proud of what he fought for. People today couldn't give a shit what he fought for. Add to that most people don't have a clue what he fought for in the first place.

I'm not saying you are wrong in your argument by the way. You do have the right not to stand. But I have the right to think it's a bit disrespectful.

[AvidFisherman]

I hear what your saying but at the same time can you picture George Washington kneeling? The very act of kneeling to me is weak. Stand fucken proud or walk away but fuck kneeling.

He would not have stood for King George III. That was the Nationalistic thing to do when we were under the rule of Great Britian.

We were founded on the principles of popular sovereignty, separation of powers, rule of law, checks an balances, and federalism. Me not wanting to stand if I do not want to for the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance infringes on none of these principles.

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[lipripper]

This is the beginning of the end...when all is lost this is what will be remembered as to why The once mighty America fell. Funny how for over 200 years..the flag was a symbol of unity for all American all colors religions...now its a symbol of hatred oppression and racism in somes view... I guess some one forgot to inform the black union soldiers who fought for it, under it and behind it back in the civil war...poor bastards must be rolling over in their graves now.

Believe what you must but remember this...united we stand..divided we fall.

[Bouncer]

How am I free if I am forced/pressured into standing for the Pledge of Allegiance etc? If I sit for it or question it I am berated by insults? How is that being free?

You are free! Free to believe what I believe!

People forget the principles the U.S. was founded on. Why we revolted from Great Britain.

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I hear what your saying but at the same time can you picture George Washington kneeling? The very act of kneeling to me is weak. Stand fucken proud or walk away but fuck kneeling.

[AvidFisherman]

so you can enjoy the freedoms that you most likely don't appreciate.

How am I free if I am forced/pressured into standing for the Pledge of Allegiance etc? If I sit for it or question it I am berated by insults? How is that being free?

You are free! Free to believe what I believe!

People forget the principles the U.S. was founded on. Why we revolted from Great Britain.

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