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  • Honduras, Guatemala move to stop migrant caravan after Trump threats

    Good shit. Enough is enough with these fuckers. If you don't think this is politically payed for and backed you have your head in a shit heap of denial. Guess which day these people will arrive at the border if they are allowed to pass through Mexico?.. Hint.. it's a major political day in America. These fucks don't even try to hide it anymore.

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    WASHINGTON/ESQUIPULAS, Guatemala (Reuters) - The organizer of a migrant caravan from Honduras was detained in Guatemala on Tuesday as the U.S. government threatened to withdraw aid from both countries and El Salvador if the flow of migrants north to the United States was not stopped.

    Up to 3,000 migrants, according to organizers’ estimates, crossed from Honduras into Guatemala on a trek northward after a standoff on Monday with police in riot gear.

    The Honduran Foreign Ministry called on its citizens not to join the group. The government “urges the Hondurans taking part in this irregular mobilization not to be used by a movement that is clearly political,” it said.

    Honduran president Juan Orlando Hernandez said in a public address on Tuesday evening some Hondurans in the caravan had already returned home and the government was preparing to support them. He did not specify how many had turned back.

    Over the border, Guatemalan police officers detained Bartolo Fuentes, a former Honduran lawmaker, from the middle of the large crowd that he and three other organizers had led from San Pedro Sula, Honduras, since Saturday.

    The moves followed comments by U.S. President Donald Trump that his administration would halt aid if the Central American governments did not act, his latest effort to demonstrate his tough stance on immigration.

    The Honduran security ministry said Fuentes had been detained because he “did not comply with Guatemalan immigration rules” and would be deported back to Honduras in the coming hours.

    Security officials at the Honduran border with Guatemala in Agua Caliente blocked the road to prevent another much smaller group from getting through, television images from the border showed.

    “We can’t attend to people en masse. People are going through one by one,” police spokesman Alex Madrid said in a radio interview.

    Guatemala’s government said it did not have official figures for how many migrants from the caravan had already crossed the border.

    Adult citizens of Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua need only present national identity cards to cross each others’ borders. That rule does not apply when they reach Mexico.

    The local offices of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights said in a statement on Tuesday evening they were worried about the safety of migrants in the caravan, noting the group included women, children and senior citizens.

    “NO MORE MONEY”
    Trump took to Twitter on Tuesday to express his annoyance at the caravan, which follows a similar event in May that ultimately led to hundreds of migrants either seeking asylum in the United States or remaining in Mexico.

    “The United States has strongly informed the President of Honduras that if the large Caravan of people heading to the U.S. is not stopped and brought back to Honduras, no more money or aid will be given to Honduras, effective immediately!” Trump wrote.

    Trump expanded his threat in a later tweet to include Guatemala and El Salvador.

    “We have today informed the countries of Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador that if they allow their citizens, or others, to journey through their borders and up to the United States, with the intention of entering our country illegally, all payments made to them will STOP (END)!” he said.

    U.S. Vice President Mike Pence drove home the point, saying he spoke to Hernandez and Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales and warned them to help protect U.S. borders, adding “no more aid if it’s not stopped!”

    The strong words could encourage Honduras to move closer to China amid intensified efforts by Beijing to win recognition from Central American countries aligned with Taiwan.

    Honduras is one of a dwindling number of countries that still have formal diplomatic ties with Taiwan, an island nation off the Chinese coast that Beijing views as a renegade province.

    Hernandez said last month cuts in U.S. support for Central America would only hinder the country’s ability to stem illegal immigration. He welcomed China’s growing diplomatic presence in the region as an “opportunity.”

    Pence told Central American countries last week the United States was willing to help with economic development and investment if they did more to tackle mass migration, corruption and gang violence.

    GROWING GROUP
    The migrants in the group making its way north plan to seek refugee status in Mexico or pass through to the United States, saying they are fleeing poverty and violence.

    “What Trump says doesn’t interest us,” organizer Fuentes said in an interview shortly before his arrest. “These people are fleeing. These people are not tourists.”

    Widespread violence and poverty prompt thousands of Central Americans, mainly from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, to make the arduous journey north toward Mexico and the United States in search of a better life.

    Trump ran for president in 2016 on promises to toughen U.S. immigration policies and build a wall along the 2,000-mile(3,220-km) border with Mexico.

    Illegal immigration is likely to be a top issue in Nov. 6 U.S. congressional elections, when Democrats are seen as having a good chance of gaining control of the House of Representatives from Trump’s fellow Republicans.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1MQ1UX

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    fyi.. i am absolutely pro immigration. it's what built America. we are all immigrants. but for the love of fuck it has to be controlled.

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    • #3
      Yeah and Hondurans are mostly gang members

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mr I View Post
        Yeah and Hondurans are mostly gang members
        Simple comment from a simple man.

        Gang problem yes. "Mostly gang members" no.

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        • #5
          Mexico doing it's best to stop these fucks. Hell Mexico needs its own wall at this point..

          https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...towards-mexico

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          • #6
            Migrant Caravan Continues Toward U.S.

            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/photo...n?srnd=premium

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            • #7
              Apparently the number is now 7000 and Mexico has completely lost control. If this thing isn't stopped it will just be the start. Instead of 8000 it will be 100,000 next time. As people leave these countries the economic situation will get even worse for them and will make even more people leave their countries. This thing will make or break what happens in the near future.

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              "National Emergency" - President Trump To Cut Central American Aid As Mexico Loses Control Of Migrant Army

              https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...l-migrant-army

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              • #8
                But some folks are rooting them on!!!! Who's organized this and paying for it?

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                • #9
                  Y'all realize the farm industry is reliant on illegals. Who is going to work in hog confinements or in hog processing facilities? I've had 2 buddies try to work in a hog processing plant. They both lasted less than a week. They said almost all the workers are from Africa or Central America.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lipripper View Post
                    But some folks are rooting them on!!!! Who's organized this and paying for it?

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                    they definitely are not doing it on their own. they need money to eat and drink. this trip takes weeks and most of those people absolutely do not have that money. every single one of them has a $500 smart phone with 4G data. 50% of them are all over social media documenting the whole thing with laughs and thumbs up. these people aren't exactly suffering.. add to that these people will literally arrive within hours of midterms.. 3 week trip and they arrive exactly at midterms..

                    i can predict the future here. cnn and the dems will run headlines everywhere. BRUTALITY AGAINST INNOCENT CHILDREN REFUGEES, SEPARATION FROM PARENTS, SICK REFUGEES STARVING AT THE BOARDER, A NEW HOLOCAUST.

                    thats the plan and they know the mindless average joe of america will buy it hook line and sinker.

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                    • #11
                      Ok they are coming to work hog farms..farmers put an add in the help wanted section...they are all coming for the job...
                      Originally posted by AvidFisherman View Post
                      Y'all realize the farm industry is reliant on illegals. Who is going to work in hog confinements or in hog processing facilities? I've had 2 buddies try to work in a hog processing plant. They both lasted less than a week. They said almost all the workers are from Africa or Central America.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AvidFisherman View Post
                        Y'all realize the farm industry is reliant on illegals. Who is going to work in hog confinements or in hog processing facilities? I've had 2 buddies try to work in a hog processing plant. They both lasted less than a week. They said almost all the workers are from Africa or Central America.

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                        how many of these people do you volunteer to keep in your house bro? how about your property? would you be okay with 50 of them camping in your yard? exactly. until it effects you directly you say "let them pour in no limits. let them come by the millions!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AvidFisherman View Post
                          Y'all realize the farm industry is reliant on illegals. Who is going to work in hog confinements or in hog processing facilities? I've had 2 buddies try to work in a hog processing plant. They both lasted less than a week. They said almost all the workers are from Africa or Central America.

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                          My brother-in-law is a farmer and has the same group of workers from Mexico come every summer to help on his farm. He does it the legal way. Yes, takes a lot of time and paper work and yes the process should be easier but there is a legal way to do it.

                          My brother-in-law said they are the hardest workers. He treats them like family too. Has them over for cookouts. Great people going about it the legal way.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
                            how many of these people do you volunteer to keep in your house bro? how about your property? would you be okay with 50 of them camping in your yard? exactly. until it effects you directly you say "let them pour in no limits. let them come by the millions!"
                            If they are working in a hog confinement they can get an apt or rent a house.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Chadd77 View Post
                              My brother-in-law is a farmer and has the same group of workers from Mexico come every summer to help on his farm. He does it the legal way. Yes, takes a lot of time and paper work and yes the process should be easier but there is a legal way to do it.

                              My brother-in-law said they are the hardest workers. He treats them like family too. Has them over for cookouts. Great people going about it the legal way.
                              Unskilled worker visas are hard to get right now and the supply is not equal to the demand.

                              My view on this is selfish. I like buying chicken breast at under $2/lbs and pork loin when it's on sale for $1.48/lbs. If the migrants are going to take these crappy jobs so my chicken, pork, and vegetables dont get a price hike I'm all for them.

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