SLOW CLEAN bulk - thoughts

[lipripper]

its protein bro. would you stop eating food to see what results you are getting?

i get what you are saying but dont make sense with protein.

fat burners, creatine, pre workout stuff, i get your point.

I agree, just want to see about all this stuff Im doing and how it all rolls up... if nothing else it'll justify what Im doing even more.

[Bouncer]

its protein bro. would you stop eating food to see what results you are getting?

i get what you are saying but dont make sense with protein.

fat burners, creatine, pre workout stuff, i get your point.

[lipripper]

Why would you stop taking whey? No benefit to that. I can understand stuff like jacked, creatine etc.. But not whey.

I just want to see what kind of results Im really getting. I have been on it for 10 months now... untill I stopped... I just wanna see what diffrence it really makes.. Like I said, Ive noticed changes as I stated above...now when I get back on everything..I'll see if it comes back...or not...thats all...

[Scrumhalf]

Maybe somewhere between 150 and 155lbs at under 10% BF. Anything more would detract seriously from my other fitness goals.

[Mr I]

5'6", 146lbs, 28" waist.

I see, where you want to end up?

[Scrumhalf]

5'6", 146lbs, 28" waist.

[Mr I]

Clean bulk is adding muscle with minimal fat gain.

What do you weigh now at what height, what is your waist measure

[Scrumhalf]

Clean bulk is adding muscle with minimal fat gain.

[Mr I]

The fuck is this clean bulk bullshit term? Your either bulking or dieting, if you bulking your taking in more.calories than your expending, simple

[Bouncer]

Good stuff scrum. I have taken my self off all supps for the last month or so to see if or what effects I am really having with them. No creatine, whey, jacked nothing. I seem to look not as filled out and slimmer, I have not gained any weight but have remained leaned out and cut. I have noticed a decrease in strength for heavy weight (for me) but not in endurance.

Feb 1st,I am going to start back on the supps and see what kind of results I will have..

Why would you stop taking whey? No benefit to that. I can understand stuff like jacked, creatine etc.. But not whey.

[lipripper]

Good stuff scrum. I have taken my self off all supps for the last month or so to see if or what effects I am really having with them. No creatine, whey, jacked nothing. I seem to look not as filled out and slimmer, I have not gained any weight but have remained leaned out and cut. I have noticed a decrease in strength for heavy weight (for me) but not in endurance.

Feb 1st,I am going to start back on the supps and see what kind of results I will have..

[Scrumhalf]

Yep. Been taking creatine for a month or two now. I was up 8lbs as of yesterday. Not sure how much is water, but I clearly look bigger. Still retaining water around the abs, but it is getting better. Very lean elsewhere.

[GreyingWolf]

Oral creatine monohydrate supplementation improves brain performance: a double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over trial.

Nice positive creative side effect for veggo's. Actually, probably worth taking just for this.

[dago]

Are you talking about HRT, i.e. doctor prescribed? That's something to consider, although I have no desire to be injecting myself for the rest of my life.

As far as self-medication is concerned, I have zero interest in procuring and using illegal substances. Not casting a judgment here about anyone who uses, but for me, at my position in my professional life both within my company and in the larger international scientific community of which I am a respected senior member, let's just say that any whiff of illegality would have consequences for me both professionally and societally that I cannot accept.

Point taken on your job situation. And yes I meant talking to your doctor about getting some test-e or test-cyp. My doc permits me 200mg test-e weekly. Even though right now I am not currently on cycle I still get my test every month and just save them up for upcoming cycles. Also over the years of growing up on a race horse farm I have seen vets presrcibe steriods for animals and its always based on how much the animal weighs as to how much aas they are given. So with your stats I think a low dose test cycle would be perfect for your goals not to mention safe and legal.

[Scrumhalf]

.....I would like to know at your age and with your goals why would you not even consider a low dose test only cycle? ...

Are you talking about HRT, i.e. doctor prescribed? That's something to consider, although I have no desire to be injecting myself for the rest of my life.

As far as self-medication is concerned, I have zero interest in procuring and using illegal substances. Not casting a judgment here about anyone who uses, but for me, at my position in my professional life both within my company and in the larger international scientific community of which I am a respected senior member, let's just say that any whiff of illegality would have consequences for me both professionally and societally that I cannot accept.