Glock vs Ruger?

[Shibby]

I was looking for info on the differnce in these. Not exclusively these, that's just the look that I like. I also like the glock better because it is all black. Wanting info on the usual stuff, cost, quality, etc. Also the difference in these [9x19] [10mm] [40] [.45] [.357] [.380]. I don't want something just for power. More something that would be effective and my fiance would be comfortable/able to use if needed. I was looking at buying one and getting plenty of expierence next year, before I move in 2007. Here is a pic of the glock that I like the looks of. http://www.glock.com/g20.htm

[ROCKETW19]

i have never shot the ruger at least a auto. but i can tell you i hated the way the glock felt. i couldnt shoot the side of a barn with it. you may be different, i learned the best thing to do is find a range that rents guns and try them out. also look into the HK USP. thats my favorite next to the bereta 9mm (92f)

[Shibby]

What's the cost?

[shortz]

Do you like red apples or green apples?

ALmost all of the Rugers are bulky and heavy. They use steel frames and their version of a compact is not really compact. The plus side is that they are DA/SA, if that's what you're into, like me.

The Glocks are more expensive, but much more compact and there are alot more to choose from with caliber, shape and size. The Glock 36 is one hell of a cannon. It's a .45 with a double stack mag, I think a 6+1 or 7+1 and it very compact. Prbably one of the smallest .45s you can buy.

I have different opinions with rounds than most too. THe .357 Sig round is the most versatile round you will find. Very accurate, high velocity and high energy, which means it has a good OSS rating. I have always been fond of the .40 cal though. Have a full sized Steyr M40 and a CZ .40 RAMI, which is my main carry weapon and pride and joy. THe RAMI has an all aluminum frame and a double stack mag and is as small as my .380 Bersa.

Expect to pay $500 or more for Glocks, $400 for Rugers. My CZ cost me about $450. That included the extra mag too.

[shortz]

BTW, I worked as a gun dealer for a while, so feel free to ask any questions.

[Shibby]

I don't know the abreviations you used. Also what does it mean to be more compact of another?

[Shibby]

Is this the gun yo have? http://www.cz-usa.com/01.detail.php?id=48

I like the looks of it^. I was looking at some info on the Steyr and it seems that it's hard to get domestic help with repairs or malfunctions.

Also, do you think 9mm is too weak?



My step dad has a ruger 9mm. I have held it and liked it, but I havn't held much else, so I can't compare. I havn't shot it yet though. He said we would go to the range to let me try it out.

[shortz]

DA=Double action (pull trigger and it activates hammer/striker/no need to pull hammer back)
SA=Single action (Need to pull the hammer back, then pull trigger)
DA/SA=Can be used either way
DAO=Double action only (can only be used in double action ie. Glock)
SAO=Single action only (Cowboy shooters ie Ruger revolver SAO)
OSS=One stop shot (Estimited % of liklihood of stopping a target ie bad guy)

9mm is a good round. Those who criticise the 9mm generally have small penises. :D Get some good defense rounds and it becomes quite a powerful round. Not quite as much as the .40 and .357 sig, but close enough.

These are the sizes; full size, compact, subcompact, ultra compact.

Yes, that is my gun.

What exactly do you want if for?

Rounds-.380 AKA 9mm kurtz, in German, short in English. It was developed in Europe because the people were not allowed to carry the same size round as the police, so they created the .380 to be the next best thing.

9mm-AKA 9x19 It was originally a 9x18 design until it was changed. I am not sure of the reason, but the 9x18 is to the 9mm kurtz as the .380 is to the 9mm. Fast round, accurate. Recoil snaps nicely.

.357 Sig-a late design created for government work. It's an accurate round, high energy and is a bit pricey to just go out shooting with it often. IMO, one of the best rounds, although expensive. Recoil feels more like a punch to the hand.

.45-Designed around WWI it is a heavy bullet, not real accurate, but a good CQB (close quarter battle) round. Think of the recoil of these guns as more of a thud instead a kick.

.40-Good all round load. Used by LEOs alot for a reason. It's easy to find a good defense round for these too.

.357 magnum-Very high velocity and very high energy round. Found in revolvers only. The downfall? Lack of rapid fire without lots of practice and generally doesn't hold as many rounds. Others find that they snag while pulling them out of their holsters too. I use my Ruger .357 SP101 for home defense. Just thought I would throw this in here. Recoil...boy that was fun!!

[shortz]

BTW, my SP101 is modified...lighter main spring, smoothed trigger, shaved hammer, hogue grips and the rounds were of my own cuncoction. I used a remington hollow point bullet and mixed the powder extra hot. I don't fire them much, as they are hard on the gun and heat up the cylinder fast. I pity the fool who ever eats one of these.

[Shibby]

Thanks, that's alot of great info Shortz, espeacially for a gun noob like me. I am wanting it for home safety.

[shortz]

Ahhhh, home defense. Well, nothing beats a shotgun by the bed either. :D

[Shibby]

Yea, that's definatly a best choice. I wasn't sure if it's what I wanted with a little one around. I know I could get a gun lock, but it's not something I would want to have to fiddle with at that moment. I also wouldn't want him to find it and just pick it up or what ever even if it's not loaded. But I'm sure I could just teach him to stay away from under our bed and that it's not a toy. Do you think it would be too much of a hassle to take the lock off each night before bed and then put it back in the morning? I could also pull it out and rest it on the wall during the night, just to make sure I know I havn't put the lock back on it. It's actually kind of funny you said that. My parents just got there concealed license and the officer said nothing will detour and intruder like the sound of the pump action. He said everyone knows that sound and you can hear across the home.

[shortz]

Well, if it's a handgun that you want, as said above, a .45 is a good CQB gun. It's low velocity, so it's not as likely to travel through walls like a very high velocity round will. This is very important when you have a child that could be in the next room.

If this is what you want, then here are a few to look at that aren't prices very bad.

#1 Springfield Mil Spec or GI .45 These are 1911 style guns. The GI is a WWII replica and is a cool gun.

#2 CZ 97B .45 Very good priced gun and nice to grip, no matter what size your hands. The CZ is a great bang for the buck.

There are lots of other good .45s out there. The more expensive ones are going to be Para Ordinance, Smith and Wesson, Kimber, H and K, Sig, Colt and Glock. You could try and find these used, but be forwarned, some the expensive 1911s sometimes need regular maintanance.

[shortz]

Oh yeah, also, as for the gun lock...that's a tough call. You want your child to be safe, but at the same time, keeping your family safe could also be forfeited in the time it takes for you to realize what's going on in the middle of the night and getting that gun lock off. IMO, you should find a gun that has a safety so when you take out the mag, it disengages the trigger and renders it useless. this wya, all you have to do is grab the clip, pop it in, and fire. Hell, you can even keep one chambered with these things, because there is no way for it to go off without the trigger working.

[Shibby]

On the clip part you were talking about a pistol right? As for the gun lock, that's why I was saying getting in a routine to take the gun out at night and unlock it, then lock it and put it back in the morning. This would be until I could afford a safe for the shotgun to fit.