Shooting Spree at LA Fitness in Penn.

[the art of war]

No, but your response is a great example of what I am saying.

1) Someone was talking about CC permit.

2) READ the constitution, or better yet go back and read the very post you quoted.

:rolleyes:

Chris I hate to say this but I disagree because of safety. Would you rather know that your life or your family is threatened and choose to go wait for every background check on earth to get a weapons permit period, not even concealed? I think it is the thrill kills that push people to challenge the right to own / conceal guns and it is horrible to see it done. But that being said, seeing as the states vary so much (hell go to ATL and you can practically buy a fuckin tank with a drivers license at gun shows, totally legally) you just never can know. I try to respect laws, I don't go out flashing some piece or something stupid like that, remember how america was founded, remember bows an arrows lost to guns.

[ROCKETW19]

No, but your response is a great example of what I am saying.

1) Someone was talking about CC permit.

2) READ the constitution, or better yet go back and read the very post you quoted.

:rolleyes:

1) yes someone was talking about CC permit but I thought we were talking about gun rights. my bad.

2) The constitution can read how ever you interpret it.

We live in "free america" that isnt so free anymore cuzz of tree hugging fucks like you. Sure take away our guns what else you wanna take. It funny how we try and get Russia to be more like us yet we are turnning into more like they used to be you commi fuck.

[the art of war]

1) yes someone was talking about CC permit but I thought we were talking about gun rights. my bad.

2) The constitution can read how ever you interpret it.

We live in "free america" that isnt so free anymore cuzz of tree hugging fucks like you. Sure take away our guns what else you wanna take. It funny how we try and get Russia to be more like us yet we are turnning into more like they used to be you commi fuck.

bump that.

[bigscott]

First off, we don't have the right to bear arms. People who quote the Constitution inaccurately are as bad as ignorant Christians who quote pieces of biblical stories. We, American citizens, have the right to a A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If anyone bothered to read the writings of politicians who ratified this amendment, they would realize that the purpose of the second amendment is not for American to have the ability to conceal carry, or anything like that. State militias, back in the 1790's, were means of NATIONAL DEFENSE! Anyone that tells you different is an idiot. The concept behind the 2nd amendment is one of, "to keep ourselves safe from national threats / community threats, there shall be no right of the government to take/regulate weapons of a 'national guard' unit. It was not meant for gun happy morons who feel the need to have a weapon to keep themselves safe, but inevitably hurt someone with them because they are not trained properly to handle something that powerfully.

Not to mention, most Americans don't have the mental maturity to handle a weapon of that type. My thread about the dick that asked me to move benches comes to mind. Great real example comes from my cousin, the marine, who was decorated multiple times for his leadership in Iraq. Many of his Marines, while in the field, would not know how to react when under fire. They would instantly react by simply shooting. Okay, these are professional military personnel who have undergone tons of training. Basic instinct is to shoot. What he did was wait until they see where the shooting come from and fire there. Its not hard to do that, but I don't believe any gun totting retard would think about that.

i am sure your cousin when he first encountered someone firing at him - he did the same but learned overtime that its best to wait to see who or whats shooting and what direction - you say its not hard to do that hmmm guess you have been shot at ?

ohhh and your point about them being professional military doesnt mean shit !! all the training in the fucking world is just that TRAINING - no amount can prepare you for when its real -- i dont give a fuck who you are !! if shot at your first instinct will be to fire back !! i know someone with alot of confirmed kills in iraq - when he got in his first fire fight it was just fire back -- said he learned to calm himself enough after a bit to pick his targets -- no amount of training can prepare you or i or anyone else for that - its learned under fire -


you fucking kill me bro -- your fatass doesnt have the balls to take a bench that was yours back but come on the computer and they grow massive -

i own and have the right to own guns and will not let some fattass such as yourself sitting comfy on your fat fucking couch take that right away - your the problem not the solution with whats fucking wrong with this country -

you love to sit your fat ass back and cast judgement on everyone else -- i cant fucking stand people like you -- washington is full of them

[NewbieChris]

1) yes someone was talking about CC permit but I thought we were talking about gun rights. my bad.

I am talking about the rights the US CONSTITUTION give us, not the ones that you have conjured up in your head...

The constitution can read how ever you interpret it.

No, that is a common misconception that people use to back up their own misguided beliefs on the subject. Every law is created in response to a situation that has arisen. That law has a subsequent reasoning behind it, but lawyers (and morons - they are generally one in the same) manipulate words to get what they want out of the situation. That IS and will always be why America has many of the problems it has.

We live in "free america" that isnt so free anymore cuzz of tree hugging fucks like you. Sure take away our guns what else you wanna take. It funny how we try and get Russia to be more like us yet we are turnning into more like they used to be you commi fuck.

America wasn't free long before I was born and it sure isn't less free because of me. Now, I suggest you step back and take a look at your adolescent response and think about what I have stated earlier in this thread. I am hardly a communist and am probably the most vivid supporter of small government you will meet. The problem we are facing, however, is that [in an ideal circumstance] government operates to minimize imbalances. The things I mentioned before, being one of them.

Also, I think you have a misconception of what a communist is. I am about as far from wanting common ownership as Hitler was from wanting Jews in the world...oooh, touchy I know.

[NewbieChris]

i am sure your cousin when he first encountered someone firing at him - he did the same but learned overtime that its best to wait to see who or whats shooting and what direction - you say its not hard to do that hmmm guess you have been shot at ?

Not that I have heard. One of the main reasons he was promoted so quickly was due to his calmness under pressure. I'm not saying he couldn't have, but it never came up and our conversations were usually quite candid. Never know tho, but my assumption is no.

ohhh and your point about them being professional military doesnt mean shit !! all the training in the fucking world is just that TRAINING - no amount can prepare you for when its real -- i dont give a fuck who you are !! if shot at your first instinct will be to fire back !! i know someone with alot of confirmed kills in iraq - when he got in his first fire fight it was just fire back -- said he learned to calm himself enough after a bit to pick his targets -- no amount of training can prepare you or i or anyone else for that - its learned under fire -

What you stated is exactly my point. Americans don't, as a general ruling here, have the ability to react in a calm and concise manner. Not just Americans, but most humans. I simply believe that Americans are conditioned to believe that if they have a weapon, or are bigger and stronger...they don't have to worry when some guy comes guns blazing. Thats not the truth (shown by both your story and mine), and it perplexes me that most Americans can't take a step back and see that. Also, we tend to be more action-violent than most other countries I have visited. Yea, people get rough in Europe, but here in America we seem to go all out. Like, winning without destroying the enemy isn't winning. Doesn't make sense to me. I don't know if I have worded that well, but the idea is that we seem to go too far sometimes. And I think it has to do a lot to with the idea that Americans have a fuck you attitude towards everything, instead of realizing we live in a community. In a world that, without cooperation, is a very sad one. (I'm not saying we drop all weapons and have a big gay hug, but there is clearly something dysfunctional with our society)

you fucking kill me bro -- your fatass doesnt have the balls to take a bench that was yours back but come on the computer and they grow massive -

You can call me out on that, but I don't see it like that. To me the concept that he actually requested such a feet is amazing. It shows the selfishness our society has. And, if you don't think i said anything...you're joking. I just didn't make a big hoo-ha out of it.

i own and have the right to own guns and will not let some fattass such as yourself sitting comfy on your fat fucking couch take that right away - your the problem not the solution with whats fucking wrong with this country -

No, you are the problem. You use childish tactics to illicit a response. You have no idea what I look like now or any idea how hard I work in a gym, yet you react with such hating word. Grow up man. Ooh, calling me a fattass, its makes you tough. What I don't think you understand here is, that if we were having this same conversation in person I would still quote the Constitution and tell you that people who piece it out to make what they want of it...are idiots.

you love to sit your fat ass back and cast judgement on everyone else -- i cant fucking stand people like you -- washington is full of them

Blah, blah, blah, more rhetoric and name calling. Nothing of substance to support what you believe. Thats fine, but don't come crying to me when you lose your right to carry a weapon altogether because of your childish attitude towards the opposition.

I'm done...grow up...really.

[decadecadeca]

The Supreme Court does not agree with your twisted take on the second amendment.

Thank God.

Gun control doesn't prevent murder and it doesn't lower crime. Other countries have tried and failed. Scotland bans guns and assaults with guns drops....assaults with knives goes thru the roof. The exact same stats for their suicide rates, guns drop and hangings increase.

People, ALL people have a right to protect themselves from thieves, thugs and tyrants. If you think otherwise you're part of the problem and not the solution.

[NewbieChris]

Gun control doesn't prevent murder and it doesn't lower crime. Other countries have tried and failed. Scotland bans guns and assaults with guns drops....assaults with knives goes thru the roof. The exact same stats for their suicide rates, guns drop and hangings increase.

Statistics and sources would be nice.

[decadecadeca]

Scottish Executive: Web site currently unavailable.

You can find the violent crime info at the same link.

The point you fail to understand is that firearms are a tool. Ban them and humans will move to knives, ban those and it will be clubs, then fists. You can't change human nature by the control of objects.

[decadecadeca]

Similar increase in violent crime took place in Australia after their gun ban....

Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban

[Konitz]

First off, we don't have the right to bear arms. People who quote the Constitution inaccurately are as bad as ignorant Christians who quote pieces of biblical stories. We, American citizens, have the right to a A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If anyone bothered to read the writings of politicians who ratified this amendment, they would realize that the purpose of the second amendment is not for American to have the ability to conceal carry, or anything like that. State militias, back in the 1790's, were means of NATIONAL DEFENSE! Anyone that tells you different is an idiot. The concept behind the 2nd amendment is one of, "to keep ourselves safe from national threats / community threats, there shall be no right of the government to take/regulate weapons of a 'national guard' unit. It was not meant for gun happy morons who feel the need to have a weapon to keep themselves safe, but inevitably hurt someone with them because they are not trained properly to handle something that powerfully.

Not to mention, most Americans don't have the mental maturity to handle a weapon of that type. My thread about the dick that asked me to move benches comes to mind. Great real example comes from my cousin, the marine, who was decorated multiple times for his leadership in Iraq. Many of his Marines, while in the field, would not know how to react when under fire. They would instantly react by simply shooting. Okay, these are professional military personnel who have undergone tons of training. Basic instinct is to shoot. What he did was wait until they see where the shooting come from and fire there. Its not hard to do that, but I don't believe any gun totting retard would think about that.

And if that guy did not have a gun he would have made a bomb and ran in there and blew everyone up.

[decadecadeca]

US Death Rates ranked by leading cause.....

FASTSTATS - Deaths and Mortality

You'll notice guns don't even make the top ten.

[decadecadeca]

Quotes from the US Supreme Court (DC v. Heller) on the second amendment and the INDIVIDUAL RIGHT of a person to bear arms.

Do you, NewbieChris, hold yourself in high esteem as a constitutional scholar?

I certainly hope not.


“Nowhere else in the Constitution does a ‘right’ attributed to ‘the people’ refer to anything other than an individual right.”

“We start therefore with a strong presumption that the Second Amendment right is exercised individually and belongs to all Americans.”

“Although the phrase implies that the carrying of the weapon is for the purpose of ‘offensive or defensive action,’ it in no way connotes participation in a structured military organization."

“Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.”

“There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms."


http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-cont...06/07-2901.pdf

[Shibby]

I would rather take someone on with a knife than a gun :)

[decadecadeca]

I would rather take someone on with a knife than a gun :)

I've seen plenty of both.

I'll take the gun every single time.