Very Scary Situation - Vertebral Artery Dissection

[rado]

Everyone always automatically jumps to this "come off all drugs" knee kerb reaction luke a 3rd grader lol

Sometimes it's the worst thing you can do.

Also, you then g
Have to think about the PCT etc interactions.

Some really though essential posts in this thread. If you aren't someone that has used and cycled etc for years and had tests along side you really have no place commenting.

Seriously stop yapping. ..he should go off, period....just because you've had a few doc visit in recent times and what you're dealing with. Gives you no more authority over the next person....you're an idiot for even to think to continue on anything. Maybe this is why you're in that situation because you don't listen.

[rado]

Monitoring "thickness/thinness" that Mr.I is talking about is old school and really only done with warfarin. The new anticoagulants aren't monitored in that same sense. Lots of bro science in here.

I would get off the test. Do you pay the bills with your body? If not, drop that shit.

Some damn sense right here folks:clapback:

[Mr I]

It should be NO hesitation period.

If you're right about what happened, yea get clean and healthy again. The gear will always be there so fuck it for now..

You never knew anything of what you spoke, still dont

[Mr I]

Monitoring "thickness/thinness" that Mr.I is talking about is old school and really only done with warfarin. The new anticoagulants aren't monitored in that same sense. Lots of bro science in here.

I would get off the test. Do you pay the bills with your body? If not, drop that shit.

No I spoke of hoemocrit levels, then spoke in layman terms. It's the red blood cell count etc that determines clotting.

[Mr I]

Seriously stop yapping. ..he should go off, period....just because you've had a few doc visit in recent times and what you're dealing with. Gives you no more authority over the next person....you're an idiot for even to think to continue on anything. Maybe this is why you're in that situation because you don't listen.

Oh do stop hating silly little man, makes you look so silly lol

[Mr I]

I'm reading between the lines in scrums post. He's saying get off everything and don't listen to the bro science.

Bouncer, scrum knows nothing of aas

So his advice is just default because he knows no better. That's one thing but he's then gone in to infer that everyone else's advice, some of which is experience based is less credible than, im not sure what. In this instance me and blm and rocket if he were here all have experience of multiple hoemocrit levels blood tests on different compounds and doses. Scrum just effectively discounted all that.

Very unintelligent and baseless given some quite important circumstances and where people have bothered to give their time.

[Mr I]

Right thats you lot dealt with lol

[Mr I]

Chadd, follow the weight of advice then, just cold turkey knee jerk, go from relative homeostasis to "fuck knows what will happen", plus PCT "fuck knows what this will do", and hopefully nothing changes (as the hormonal levels fluctuates to fuck combined with oct (, against a new back drop of drug blood thinners because the doctors think your back ground conditions are stable and are working on that basis.

Real bunch of high iq members here

You can lead a horse to water.

Anyways I hope it goes well lol

[Scrumhalf]

Bouncer, scrum knows nothing of aas

So his advice is just default because he knows no better. That's one thing but he's then gone in to infer that everyone else's advice, some of which is experience based is less credible than, im not sure what. In this instance me and blm and rocket if he were here all have experience of multiple hoemocrit levels blood tests on different compounds and doses. Scrum just effectively discounted all that.

Very unintelligent and baseless given some quite important circumstances and where people have bothered to give their time.

Yes, my response is very unintelligent, thank you.

Let's unpack what I said earlier, shall we? Here it is:

I don't know what the drug interactions are and I certainly won't be adding MORE supplements to counteract whatever it is I read on the internet regarding these drugs. I know what I would do - get off anything that the doctor does not know about and follow his/her instructions. Get a second opinion as well if you like (do your research on good doctors) just to make sure you are doing everything you need to.

I said - don't add more supplements and make sure you aren't taking anything that your doctor doesn't know about. Yep, that's very unintelligent folks. :retard:

Look, me arguing with you is like Larry and Curly arguing about who is going to fly the plane. Bottom line is that none of us on this thread other than Turbo knows enough about medicine and how drugs work (which are by the way two separate fields, and have different degrees) to make an informed decision on medicating oneself in Chadd's situation.

You come across constantly as a blowhard know-it-all. The fact of the matter is that none of your cycled-for-the-last-20years broscience means anything in Chadd's situation. His is not a juicing problem but a medical problem, something best dealt with by the doctors and pharmacists who have spent years in school how to address these issues.

Attitudes like yours are PRECISELY the reason why bodybuilding today is the shitty hive of scum and villainy that it is, where guys drop dead at 40. Drug interactions are the main reason for this and anyone who thinks they can self-medicate their way out of life threatening situations is a fool and soon to be a dead fool.

[Bouncer]

No need to argue fellas, all the info be it experience, bro science, or someones 2 cents should all serve 1 purpose.. To help Chadd make the best decision. Let's not fall back on our old ways here and argue just to win the argument. I think everyone in this thread has a valid point and brings good info to the table. Different perspectives are always good.

I'd be arguing on Mr.I's side if Chadds AAS dose was higher or he'd been running it longer. But since his dose is low and he just recently started up I'd side with the others and say it's probably best to come off in this situation.

[Mr I]

Yes, my response is very unintelligent, thank you.

Let's unpack what I said earlier, shall we? Here it is:

I don't know what the drug interactions are and I certainly won't be adding MORE supplements to counteract whatever it is I read on the internet regarding these drugs. I know what I would do - get off anything that the doctor does not know about and follow his/her instructions. Get a second opinion as well if you like (do your research on good doctors) just to make sure you are doing everything you need to.

I said - don't add more supplements and make sure you aren't taking anything that your doctor doesn't know about. Yep, that's very unintelligent folks. :retard:

Look, me arguing with you is like Larry and Curly arguing about who is going to fly the plane. Bottom line is that none of us on this thread other than Turbo knows enough about medicine and how drugs work (which are by the way two separate fields, and have different degrees) to make an informed decision on medicating oneself in Chadd's situation.

You come across constantly as a blowhard know-it-all. The fact of the matter is that none of your cycled-for-the-last-20years broscience means anything in Chadd's situation. His is not a juicing problem but a medical problem, something best dealt with by the doctors and pharmacists who have spent years in school how to address these issues.

Attitudes like yours are PRECISELY the reason why bodybuilding today is the shitty hive of scum and villainy that it is, where guys drop dead at 40. Drug interactions are the main reason for this and anyone who thinks they can self-medicate their way out of life threatening situations is a fool and soon to be a dead fool.

Just shut up when you don't know what your talking about though. Politics yeah, travel yeah, the effect of aas on blood condition when you've never taken, and in the context of someone who's had a serious turn and asking for help, STAY AWAY

It's as if you feel you need to comment on everything and your actually discrediting people that know the subject.

Your an idiot and a dangerous one

Check your ego.

This is a serious situation and your bullshit doesn't wash

[Mr I]

No need to argue fellas, all the info be it experience, bro science, or someones 2 cents should all serve 1 purpose.. To help Chadd make the best decision. Let's not fall back on our old ways here and argue just to win the argument. I think everyone in this thread has a valid point and brings good info to the table. Different perspectives are always good.

I'd be arguing on Mr.I's side if Chadds AAS dose was higher or he'd been running it longer. But since his dose is low and he just recently started up I'd side with the others and say it's probably best to come off in this situation.

You can read back and decipher common sense but honestly it's not worry me posting. I'm trying to help a guy and taking time out with sound advice and you just get bombarded with baboons that rarely contribute; turdo the weirdo, rado the fake and scrum *Bouncer once told me I was clever and it stuck). Lol its like a circus :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Scrumhalf]

I'm suggesting moderation and going with medical advice and you are suggesting self-medication, and I am the "idiot and the dangerous one?" And Turbo, the one guy out here who actually has educational experience in the field, is the weirdo?

OK, carry on and continue to live in your alternate universe. I'm done with this conversation.

Edit: And sorry to screw up your thread, Chadd. You should have known better than to ask us chuckleheads for medical opinions! :)

[Chadd77]

Man oh man not sure how this thread got derailed so quickly.

Scrum, I appreciate your advise and really hope you continue to add your thoughts and suggestions.

Mr. I, I also appreciate your advise but please allow others to comment without the name calling. Not sure of Scrum's professional occupation but I don't believe any of us are neurosurgeons and also a pharmacist or someone that has a degree in studying drugs. I'm interested in hearing what anyone has to say about my situation. Doesn't mean I'm going to follow that advice.

The doctor said I was extremely lucky and that a lot of people die in these situations. I have always felt blessed but staring death in the face makes me appreciate life even more. Some of the questions I'm asking I hope that we can learn something from them and not to drive us away from each other. Let's start working on being a board that has each others back instead of stabbing each other in the back. We used to be a tight board and I would like to see us return to being like that once again.

[Turbo3000]

Just shut up when you don't know what your talking about though. Politics yeah, travel yeah, the effect of aas on blood condition when you've never taken, and in the context of someone who's had a serious turn and asking for help, STAY AWAY

It's as if you feel you need to comment on everything and your actually discrediting people that know the subject.

Your an idiot and a dangerous one

Check your ego.

This is a serious situation and your bullshit doesn't wash

Take you own advice. Your statements on blood coagulation were horribly wrong. I would listen to you about training, but not medicine.