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  • #16
    I agree that every race has their lower class, but I also think that depending on the region certain races are looked down upon more by society.
    Houston not being the melting pot that New York is, we still have a good deal of ethic mixing and the caucasions become the minority to the hispanics a year or so ago, in the Houston area.

    I agree with what has been posted already and I think it just depends on what handful of people you look at as to what applies. I do think that some blacks are held down by society because many look at them as the lower class in our society. Then again, they also have a helping hand waiting for them in many of the government education prgrams that they don't take advantage of. If you grow up in a bad place, you have to adapt to make it along, but that doesn't mean you still can't learn something. I think the parents have a good deal of blame for not pushing their kids to do better, than again, I have black friends who treat their parents with more respect than anyone I've ever met. Hard to say, but I think it has to do with the way society is, the lack of some to have the will to be better, and the thought of some that they are owed something because we have been giving government handouts to them for years.

    This thing about paying the blacks for the slavery of their great great grandparents is bullsh!t to me. America was no where close to being the beginning of slavery, and it is also shown that many of the slaves were POW's. I feel that every race has made it's sacrifices to be where they are. Some 90% or so of all colonist died from disease coming and trying to live in america. I think people in general should stop complaining about not getting anything for themselves and start making it happen themselves by working for it.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by stonecold54
      but if you separate them into violent and non-violent, those stats don't mean much. How many of us bitch about steroid laws and good guys going down but its the same for guys selling pot on the street or anything else. We send them away for years in state prison for not hurting anyone.
      but stone, its not just pot brother. its coke and other deadly drugs. its the fact that more then ever blacks are killing there sister or friend for 50 bucks. i see this shit every day on the news bro so you cant tell me there just selling pot. your blaming other things when the only thing you should blame is them. blame them for putting 23 inch rims on there car and then driving 100miles an hour and wondering why they got pulled over saying that its racial.

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      • #18
        bouncer I totally agree. I honestly believe that it has a lot to do with a civilized society. White european peoples have been civilized for over hundreds of years. Most of the US have come from this. African-Americans are from tribes in Africa and were brought over to the US to be slaves. They have been in the US and "white" civilization for a little over 200 years. Once slavery was abolished in the US, these people didn't have any rights. They couldn't get educated, they couldn't vote, they couldn't get ahead at all. This was all in the last 50 years that they finally were considered equal by law, but still not equal by the people of the US.

        I would imagine that in the next 100 years this will all start to change.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
          but stone, its not just pot brother. its coke and other deadly drugs. its the fact that more then ever blacks are killing there sister or friend for 50 bucks. i see this shit every day on the news bro so you cant tell me there just selling pot. your blaming other things when the only thing you should blame is them. blame them for putting 23 inch rims on there car and then driving 100miles an hour and wondering why they got pulled over saying that its racial.
          but what I am saying and I guess i will have to say this, I work in a courthouse and see this stuff everyday. i deal with the bottom 5% of society everyday for the last 5 years. Yes anything violent should be punished with harsh prison sentences and it does happen a lot. but (and I guess this is where my philosophy comes into play) I believe that all drugs should be legalized (i am a libertarian). I don't think guys that deal rock should be sent to prison to learn how to become a better criminal. If they add a violent crime to there drug selling, then by all means put them in jail.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dreamgirl
            White european peoples have been civilized for over hundreds of years.
            not sure I agree with this. LOL they definelty had an Enlightenment where great thinkers emerged but most of europe is still in the dark ages.

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            • #21
              More DOJ stats, can't argue with the facts.


              "Between 1995 and 2001, the increasing number of violent offenders accounted for 63% of the total growth of the State prison population; 15% of the total growth was attributable to the increasing number of drug offenders."

              http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/corrtyp.gif

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              • #22
                Originally posted by stonecold54
                but what I am saying and I guess i will have to say this, I work in a courthouse and see this stuff everyday. i deal with the bottom 5% of society everyday for the last 5 years. Yes anything violent should be punished with harsh prison sentences and it does happen a lot. but (and I guess this is where my philosophy comes into play) I believe that all drugs should be legalized (i am a libertarian). I don't think guys that deal rock should be sent to prison to learn how to become a better criminal. If they add a violent crime to there drug selling, then by all means put them in jail.
                i agree bro but with most drug crimes comes murder and other harsh crimes.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by decadecadeca
                  More DOJ stats, can't argue with the facts.


                  "Between 1995 and 2001, the increasing number of violent offenders accounted for 63% of the total growth of the State prison population; 15% of the total growth was attributable to the increasing number of drug offenders."

                  http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/corrtyp.gif
                  that is true for the country. its just where I am from (NY) we have mandatory sentecing guildlines that judges have no discretion in sentencing. They must give state prison sentences to second felony offenders (and somtimes first felony offenders).

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
                    i agree bro but with most drug crimes comes murder and other harsh crimes.
                    I will definetly agree with that. Society as whole must offer the people on drugs something better to work for and they themselves must put themselves first and achieve goals that make them better. I don't know where to start but it has to start somewhere.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dreamgirl
                      bouncer I totally agree. I honestly believe that it has a lot to do with a civilized society. White european peoples have been civilized for over hundreds of years. Most of the US have come from this. African-Americans are from tribes in Africa and were brought over to the US to be slaves. They have been in the US and "white" civilization for a little over 200 years. Once slavery was abolished in the US, these people didn't have any rights. They couldn't get educated, they couldn't vote, they couldn't get ahead at all. This was all in the last 50 years that they finally were considered equal by law, but still not equal by the people of the US.

                      I would imagine that in the next 100 years this will all start to change.
                      i dont know about all that..lol

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                      • #26
                        I don't know about legalizing all drugs. It's a huge chain of events that could come from it. It's not as simple as letting those who want to mess up there own lives. It's what will those people do to get it. Also if someone older could get a hold of it at will then it will easily passed to younger people. There is a reason why drunk driving is the leading cause of death among teen agers. Then there also not just hurting them selves.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Shibby
                          I don't know about legalizing all drugs. It's a huge chain of events that could come from it. It's not as simple as letting those who want to mess up there own lives. It's what will those people do to get it. Also if someone older could get a hold of it at will then it will easily passed to younger people. There is a reason why drunk driving is the leading cause of death among teen agers. Then there also not just hurting them selves.
                          don't get me started on Drunk driving. its the biggest scam in all the frigging world. just something else the government can blame instead instead of the bad drivers they produce by assuming the driving is a right and not a priveledge. LOL I have a lot of topic that will fire me up today.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by stonecold54
                            don't get me started on Drunk driving. its the biggest scam in all the frigging world. just something else the government can blame instead instead of the bad drivers they produce by assuming the driving is a right and not a priveledge. LOL I have a lot of topic that will fire me up today.
                            well bro, i cant agree with you at all on this on. do you realize how many drunk drivers kill people each year. bad drivers or not, drunk driving is a big problem. when i was younger, my mom and step dad were driving home in our SUV. a guy that was 3 or 4 times over the legal alcohal limit pulled right in front of us off a side road when we were going about 55. luckily all we got was a few bumps and bruises but the guy that pulled in front of us got his car split in half and i believe he is somewhat paralized from the knee down.

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                            • #29
                              by the way, the guy admitted that he had like 10 beers and some other shit to drink. its not something the government made up.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by stonecold54
                                don't get me started on Drunk driving. its the biggest scam in all the frigging world. just something else the government can blame instead instead of the bad drivers they produce by assuming the driving is a right and not a priveledge. LOL I have a lot of topic that will fire me up today.
                                totally DON'T agree with this.

                                are you disputing that your motor coordination and reaction times aren't impaired when you're drunk?

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