20 Hurt 10 Dead Oregon School Shooting

[TKD]

I'm a bit suspicious but also surprised impressed with how the shooters dad is accepting something was wrong with his son. If that makes sense.

Most of the time the family is in denial.

I just caught the end of his dad being interviewed and he was saying, not verbatim "there is obviously something wrong with someone who would go off and shoot 9 random people. Other than that will let the police do their job and see what we learned".

[redback]

Only idiots think that violence won't continue.

Violence will always be there but there are proven ways of limiting the amount of violence.

[Scrumhalf]

I noticed that the shooters dad is English. I knew there was a Pommie bastard involved somewhere in this! :D

[lipripper]

The difference is a hammer can't take out 20 people in a matter of seconds

the point was..a criminal will find a means to do his harm no matter what it takes.

[redback]

the point was..a criminal will find a means to do his harm no matter what it takes.

Oh I thought we were talking about gun laws for like the last two pages.

So would you rather a criminal have a gun or a hammer??

[lipripper]

Oh I thought we were talking about gun laws for like the last two pages.

So would you rather a criminal have a gun or a hammer??

dont matter..I have guns..:grin:

[Bouncer]

dont matter..I have guns..:grin:

That's not a real answer, that's called deflection and it's what you do when the other side makes a point you cant really answer. This is the Trump tactic that works so well with the media. When asked about details on real issues instead of admitting he has no answers he simply answers with a statement that says nothing.

you act like you cant be killed by a gun because you have a gun.

Think about Chris Kyle. I think it's safe to say he knew how to handle a gun slightly better then you.. ;)

[Bouncer]

And you guys that talk about arming everyone and make statements such as "violence stops violence".. I want you to think about situations where everyone has a gun. Think about the wild west, think about the American ghetto, think about a war zone.. Violence escalates violence, it does not prevent it. Your solution isn't one.

[Bouncer]

Four Facts About Gun Violence That Will Alarm You, Surprise You, and Make You Think | RealClearScience

The tragically large amount of gun violence in the United States grants researchers a plethora of data to dig into. As a small community in Oregon recovers from yet another mass shooting in the United States, already the 294th this year, let's review a few of scientists' findings about mass shootings and gun violence.

1. Mass shootings may be "contagious." Earlier this year, researchers at Arizona State University examined whether or not mass killings involving firearms beget more mass shootings. They hypothesized that media coverage of these tragic events might trigger at-risk individuals to carry out killings of their own. Applying a contagion model to numerous data sets charting such events, they found that each mass killing involving a firearm may incite at least 0.3 new incidents. Put another way, about every three mass shootings leads to another being committed.

2. The U.S. firmly leads the developed world in firearm deaths. In a 2011 study examining WHO data on firearm deaths in 23 populous, high-income countries, researchers found that 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States. Women and children were particularly affected. "86% of women killed by firearms were US women, and 87% of all children aged 0 to 14 killed by firearms were US children," the researchers reported. The data was from 2003, however, so it requires updating.

3. Survivors of mass shootings are prone to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Around lunchtime on October 16, 1991, George Hennard crashed his pickup truck through the front of a Luby's Cafeteria in Kileen, Texas and opened fire on the patrons inside. Twenty-three died in the attack, the third-deadliest shooting in U.S. history.

One month after the horrific shooting, psychologists interviewed 136 survivors of the massacre. Twenty percent of the men and thirty-six percent of the women met the criteria for PTSD, though most had no history whatsoever of psychiatric illness. Similar rates of PSTD were found amongst survivors of the Virginia Tech shooting.

PTSD, an anxiety disorder characterized by nightmarish flashbacks, hyperarousal, and constant stress, is typically seen in combat veterans subject to repeated traumatizing events during warfare, but it also can be triggered by single events, such as mass shootings.

4. Strict gun control laws worked wonders in Australia. In the wake of one of the deadliest shootings ever carried out by a single person, the Port Arthur massacre, Australia's government passed bipartisan gun control legislation that involved buying back 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, prohibiting private sales, and requiring that all weapons be registered, among other provisions. The apparent effects of the reforms, as revealed by two large observational studies conducted over a decade later, were astounding. The firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent. Moreover, while there were 13 mass shootings in the 18 years before the legislation was passed, there have been only two since.

[lipripper]

No its not deflection.its the same way he answered mine. I was making a point of a criminal will find a means..nothing to do with can a hammer kill 20 people..why dont ya ask China about the mass knife attacks a year or two ago. they killed and wounded many with a knife..it dont take a gun...look at Tim
McVey...he blew a fucking federal building down with ferterlizer..it dont take a gun..that sir was the point..:wave:

[Turbo3000]

And you guys that talk about arming everyone and make statements such as "violence stops violence".. I want you to think about situations where everyone has a gun. Think about the wild west, think about the American ghetto, think about a war zone.. Violence escalates violence, it does not prevent it. Your solution isn't one.

Gun ownership up and yet crime has been trending down for years...........

[Bouncer]

Keep telling yourself that turbo, as another 500 mass shootings over the next few years make us more and more numb to it all.

[chuckz28]

But just think how many more people would populate the planet if we didn't kill each other off... A few innocents die in a sea of criminals and everybody flips out. It boggles my mind how someone can kill innocent children that they don't want in the womb and people don't get upset about it saying my percieved right is greater than the life of another person, but since the media only reports the negativity with guns and not the positives people get all flustered and angry at the object. Double standards everywhere. Firearm ownage is in the Constitution, don't like it gtfo.

[Turbo3000]

Keep telling yourself that turbo, as another 500 mass shootings over the next few years make us more and more numb to it all.

Keep telling myself that, are you referring to FBI stats on crime and gun ownership? I'm not telling you anything other than the truth. Gun ownership has increased, crime has been trending down for a while. Crime is rampant in a few major cities that also have some of the strictest gun control laws.

[Turbo3000]

But just think how many more people would populate the planet if we didn't kill each other off... A few innocents die in a sea of criminals and everybody flips out. It boggles my mind how someone can kill innocent children that they don't want in the womb and people don't get upset about it saying my percieved right is greater than the life of another person, but since the media only reports the negativity with guns and not the positives people get all flustered and angry at the object. Double standards everywhere. Firearm ownage is in the Constitution, don't like it gtfo.

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